Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

gobbledygook · Post Post #11600 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:40 am

Ty for claiming scum. How many of you are there

KidAmn · Post Post #11601 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:00 am

That feels distinctly not in the spirit of the game to me, but I also don't think Rauth is the type to do something like this if they thought scum had any hope of winning.

Also, I fucking called it after that N1 result motherfucker.

gobbledygook · Post Post #11602 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:04 am

This basically confirms Bingle in my mind

Almost50 · Post Post #11603 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:06 am

In post 11598, RCEnigma wrote:3 third party, 4 cult, 2(?) Scum.

9 > 8.

You may still count me as "town aligned" for now though. I want to win with Town (and besides not being aligned with Town makes it less likely Mafia/SK will try to shoot me, so I need to be helping the Town still for the time being).

That said, I think if the CL isn;t lynched today it's game over. We are 17 with 4 cults already. Let's say we lynch a cultist/Mafia (second best case scenario). That makes go into the night with 16 players, 3-4 of which are cult and at least 1 Mafia, plus a SK and their backup. 2 kills (SK & Mafia) and -again- assuming the best we lose another townie. Let's say the other one is a cultist. Tomorrow we are 14 with 4-5 cults and a Mafioso + SK + ML. We already lose majority even with me siding by the Town. Worse; with another lynch (let's say it's the CL tomorrow), we go into the night as 13 with at least 3 cultists and at least 1 Mafia (let's call this 3.5 & 1.5 totaling 5) + SK & ML. Anot5her 2 kills = 11 players alive, and the best case scenario is for the kills to fall on a/the Mafioso and a cultist. We start the day with 11; 2.5 of which are cult and 0.5 Mafia (I'll assume 0 Mafia and 3 cult for ease) + Sk + ML. We seem to have majority, but the fact is if we mislynch (2 days from now) we are down to 9 (because ML leaves the game) and then if Elements doesn't then a death at night brings us down to 8 with 3 cultists. If a Mafioso is still alive then it's 2 cultists and a Mafioso that's down to 7 alive, 2 of which are cult, 1 is Mafia, 1 is a SK, and it'd be hard for me to stay loyal to Town at that point too.

So, even if we assume an unlikely scenario that favours the Town; the Town still loses if one more cultist is added tonight.

Instead, lynch the CL today to get the cult down to 3 and can't grow. 2 kills tonight (and hopefully Elements will hunt for Mafia.. or maybe a cultist) and we can lynch Rauth tomorrow (if he's not Element's kill) and we still have a shot at winning this. The key is to stop the cult from growing any further and to count on ML leaving the game when we are down to 10 to get us back on level grounds.

P.S. My vote is on DEV in spirit, obviously. I am just giving Bingle his way to sort things out.

Bingle · Post Post #11604 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:22 am

Just pointing out that there's an off chance Rauth is CL and if he is the scumteam should 100% shoot him tonight because they need the CL dead just as much as we do.

Bingle · Post Post #11605 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:23 am

In post 11602, gobbledygook wrote:This basically confirms Bingle in my mind

Go look at pk and zor interactions. I'm still obviously town.

Bingle · Post Post #11606 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:26 am

Hell, I gunned hard for Rauth D1 before RCE fake inno'd him too.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #11607 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:43 am

Before we end the day, we need to plan for the following:
- double night in the event of davesaz actually being a beloved princess + dying tonight
- Rauth's leash targets
- Elements' ideal targets

And we need to wait on:
- me receiving/not receiving RC's letter
- input from UT

Anything else?

gobbledygook · Post Post #11608 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:59 am

Whatever it is that Bungle is waiting for to create another obviously not going to happen night action plan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rautherdir · Post Post #11609 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:20 am

In post 11601, KidAmn wrote:That feels distinctly not in the spirit of the game to me, but I also don't think Rauth is the type to do something like this if they thought scum had any hope of winning.

Also, I fucking called it after that N1 result motherfucker.

Eh, I wanted a false association with Bingle more then a claim that I could be roleblocked. The plan was always for me to die. The hope was that I could keep my team-mates from dying because of it, but that's not going to happen at this point.

Also, who are our vanilla-ized claims again? Because that's not a power Runelords ever had, and it sounds suspiciously like getting culted. I should probably be used to either go after the recruited players or to go after the cult leader.

gobbledygook · Post Post #11610 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:30 am

BBmolla is the only player to claim vanillalized and spontaneously outted as a mason yesterday. He is very much likely cult recruit as I have been saying since yesterday. He tried to protect DEB and UT which has cult equity. I think DEB is the cult leader based off his claim though.

gobbledygook · Post Post #11611 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:30 am

Are you the Bugbear Raur?

Bingle · Post Post #11612 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:31 am

BB is the only vanilla-ized claim. Which, given that he was a mason who made it explicit he could be culted, makes sense as a recruit.

I'm mostly waiting for UT and Pine, who have yet to post this dayphase, but we also need a pool for KA to CL hunt in if DEB flips town and a target pool for Rauth/Elements.

Everything else is pretty secondary.

Miss Lane · Post Post #11613 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:32 am

Elements leaves with me if my wincon is achieved

Miss Lane · Post Post #11614 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:33 am

I'll vote Deb when you want

Bingle · Post Post #11615 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:35 am

A50, JSYK, maf and SK also need to townside during the day because if cult grows too quickly they lose.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #11616 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:42 am

In post 11610, gobbledygook wrote:He tried to protect DEB and UT which has cult equity

how does protecting me help the cult, again?

Almost50 · Post Post #11617 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:43 am

I already said I am town siding because I'd rather win with the Town, and since my chances of getting NK'd are diminished I suppose I'll be forced to turn into a Survivor, so I need the time to do it after Elements supposedly leaves. Mafia should not be a threat to me either because they want to shoot cult and Town more and can win with a Survivor, so they won't be wasting their shot on me either way.

So, yeah. You can count on me town siding all the way here, until it becomes obvious the Town can't win.

KidAmn · Post Post #11618 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:47 am

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL. Need to get off work and in front of the PC to go back and work out a pool. Don't take it personally but I'm leery at this point of taking a pool from anyone else given the number of cult and the number of inactives lying around

KidAmn · Post Post #11619 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:47 am

*could still be a cult convert

gobbledygook · Post Post #11620 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:59 am

In post 11616, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 11610, gobbledygook wrote:He tried to protect DEB and UT which has cult equity
how does protecting me help the cult, again?

I mean you could be a cultist and BB could be trying to protect his people. Since I accused him he’s gone stone silent in our PT :/

Cult cop would have been like number 1 recruit choice for a cult leader, especially one that was losing a recruit every night for a while

Rautherdir · Post Post #11621 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:09 am

In post 11611, gobbledygook wrote:Are you the Bugbear Raur?

No? I'm a half-elf. I already pointed that out using the night 1 flavor. I think I had guessed it was Pine, but that's probably wrong. We didn't really talk about it in the PT.

Also, just going to remind everyone that I'm also a hammerer. Put someone at L-1, and if I'm not already voting them they get lynched. Assuming no further orders I'll be killing BBMolla tonight.

Pine · Post Post #11622 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:17 am

In post 11612, Bingle wrote:BB is the only vanilla-ized claim. Which, given that he was a mason who made it explicit he could be culted, makes sense as a recruit.

I'm mostly waiting for UT and Pine, who have yet to post this dayphase, but we also need a pool for KA to CL hunt in if DEB flips town and a target pool for Rauth/Elements.

Everything else is pretty secondary.

I was about to protest that I'd posted, but apparently I didn't. My bad. I've been keeping up, just still getting my bearings.

EspressoPatronum · Post Post #11623 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:18 am

In post 11621, Rautherdir wrote:Assuming no further orders I'll be killing BBMolla tonight.

Only do this if DEB flips CL. If DEB doesn't flip CL, you should shoot xofelf.

Pine · Post Post #11624 (ISO) » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:19 am

In post 11506, KidAmn wrote:I jailed Pine.

Fucking why?

In post 11510, EspressoPatronum wrote:Bingle is scum.

Nualia Tobyn (the Aasimar woman) is a well-armoured woman with white hair. This was pisskop's rolecop character. Bingle claimed motivated N1, but we know from the N1 flavour that a well-armoured, white-haired woman was motivated.

We have a guilty on Pine from KidAmn's JK. It makes sense that scum would give their motivation to their rolecop (pisskop the white-haired woman) and have another one of them fakeclaim it.

Bingle also claimed FBI on Elements the same night that Elements was jailed by KidAmn and attacked by Zoraster (scum).

In what universe is that a guilty on me? Are you drunk?

^That's the post I thought I made.