Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Something_Smart]

S_S, I'd appreciate if you could explain the Amrun SR as much as possible.

I pretty much did. What's unclear about it?

[Something_Smart]

explicitly absolved yourself of any responsibility for your read on me.

I explicitly stated multiple times that I shouldn't be absolved of responsibility for the read...

[Datisi]

Just 2308?

[Something_Smart]

Complete BS. I had a whole back and forth with you and you provided NOTHING. N-OT-H-I-N-G

You thought I was coasting during the back-and-forth? I thought you thought I was coasting today.

[Something_Smart]

Just 2308?

Pretty much, yeah.

[GuiltyLion]

iii) they both seem to be fine compromising on the Gamma slot while again kinda ignoring the fact that the other one is willing to do that as well

I am not fine compromising on the Gamma slot

Smart, how were we to know this? the only time I saw you give a read there D3 was here:

Err

{Menalque}
{GuiltyLion, Iconeum}
{alimdia}
{DogWatch}
{Gamma Emerald}
{Amrun, Datisi}

I feel like that's more precise than it has any right to be though.

Also I just recalled that I've hard misread scumconeum multiple times so maybe he doesn't deserve to be where he is but then again none of those tiers are particularly confident anyway.

and then you haven't really bitten back at people voting or SRing Gamma at all

idk I don't want to just uselessly pile on if you're town but it's this passivity that's making me think you're scum - you can't call us out for "not thinking critically" when you aren't taking a lead on steering people towards the wagons you want. I get that we didn't listen to you on the Creature lynch but half the game it feels like you've basically said you don't have any confident reads in anything

[DogWatch]

I mean I can give you this.

Amrun is accusing people (me and Gamma) of coasting while not asking any questions to us. That means she doesn't actually want us to contribute more if we're town so she can straighten out her read on us.

Complete BS. I had a whole back and forth with you and you provided NOTHING. N-OT-H-I-N-G

You clung to creatures read and argued semantics over it and explicitly absolved yourself of any responsibility for your read on me. What else is there to ask? You’re sidestepping responsibility so you can’t be blamed when it’s wrong.

Texcat isn’t here to ask questions to. Gamma is on page 9 and dragging out his catchup - I’ve had interaction with him too. I’ve been trying to motivate content there with my vote and trying to drum up a wagon that has seen a shocking amount of resistance.


This post is total hot air BS.

This right here. IIRC, Amrun didn't accuse SS of coasting until after she'd done a whole back-and-forth with him. 2308 is a misrep.

[Something_Smart]

Smart, how were we to know this?

I suppose you weren't.

[Menalque]

SS I'm really struggling to get a good read on you this game

which I think may actually be town indicative for you bc the only time I personally played against scum!you I was TRing you very hard

okay, what made you change your mind from here

Why is Amrun above Icon?

I guess I realised misreading him as scum before doesn’t necessarily mean that I’d misread him this game

Re: amrun

Idk I think SS!scum is also -scum equity for her as well as icon but that can be resolved later

I still think SS!scum means gamma!scum and I’m willing to shelve sorting between whether it’s actually clearing for icon/amrun until later / whether I’m wrong on one of DW/alim

[Something_Smart]

IIRC, Amrun didn't accuse SS of coasting until after she'd done a whole back-and-forth with him.

Amrun didn't accuse me of coasting until my activity dropped due to Christmas.

[Menalque]

Why do you think there is scum in there? I’m ruling out datisi scum so if there is it’s between DW and amrun but tbh I don’t really SR either of them

it's just because they were on both wagons in the deciding middle vote areas and I feel like it'd be really naive/foolish to assume that no scum was participating in either of those lynches as they were solidifying

but I agree with you that from like tonal/content perspective they all feel town and it's entirely a game state thing that's making me feel like I need to be careful

tbf unless it’s exactly (SS, gamma, icon) then you’re prob right here

[Something_Smart]

you can't call us out for "not thinking critically" when you aren't taking a lead on steering people towards the wagons you want.

Since when?

[Datisi]

Why does scum!SS imply scum!Gamma?

[DogWatch]

you can't call us out for "not thinking critically" when you aren't taking a lead on steering people towards the wagons you want.

Since when?

When was the last time you voted anyone except Amrun? Or tried to steer the game towards anyone else at all? Like half your ISO is centered around Amrun at a glance.

[Menalque]

Menalque, give me the Sparknotes on Datisi town.

I still think datisi is townreadable on tone bc she struggles to simulate being relaxed as scum

I also think she was pushing the gamestate forward on D2 when it would have just apathied and even with the mislynch I think she was pushing for more readable content from people rather than trying to guarantee a mislynch, all of which I think is more town!motivated than scum!motivated

Today I think she’s been doing more of the same

I didn't say anything about "off my tone," either. My tone is my tone, it varies based on a bunch of factors.

What's off this game is my content, which is separate from my tone, but I think it's because not a lot of people have really put forward reasoning that I can engage with, and it's left me... disengaged. Shocker.

You said something acknowledging you were off, I thought it was tone but maybe it was content

I think there’s been plenty put forward and I think you could quite easily have engaged with it more if you’d wanted to?

[Menalque]

Why does scum!SS imply scum!Gamma?

I think gamma’s catch up was aimed at steering the lynch away from SS which is +scum for him if SS flips scum

[Menalque]

If I’m wrong about there not being scum in (amrun, datisi, DW) I’d rather sort there after lynching SS and prob gamma

[Menalque]

That’s re: the discussion on p92

[Menalque]

Super ok with this.

VOTE: something_smart

But we can’t let gamma coast either.


@GL:

I realize I shouldn’t be pointing this out because it makes you more likely to scumread me, but, I believe you’re town sooo... who is scum reading Ico? You said people are casually scumreading Ico but the ONLY person I can think of who does so is gamma. So I don’t understand your train of thought here at all.

Also don’t understand the buddy reads on S_S and me, but whatever, will cross that bridge when we get there, if we get there. I’ve never in my life seen scum openly sheep onto another scum with no wagon by following a dead player, and I don’t think I ever will.

I mean I’m SLing icon by PoE rn

Yeah Gamma's playstyle annoys me to no fucking end but I can't shake off the feeling that he's been dragged along as a mislynch

Okay if this is right then doesn’t it imply amrun!town bc otherwise why would she be trying to lynch the game winning mislynch today? Unless you think scum does have 2 guns left

[Amrun]

explicitly absolved yourself of any responsibility for your read on me.

I explicitly stated multiple times that I shouldn't be absolved of responsibility for the read...

You did but that doesn’t make sense and if you abdicate reasoning for the read, people are going to abdicate you from responsibility whatever you state. You’re only just now changing that and the reasoning is actually even worse than sheeping dead town.

[Amrun]

@mena: I didn’t realize that but that’s still two players, a far cry from what S_S was implying. I strongly TR Ico for one.

[Menalque]

VOTE: SS

that’s L-1[/vote]

[Menalque]

Ffs

that’s L-1

[Menalque]

Why do you strongly TR icon @amrun

[Datisi]

Eh, I'm not exactly TRing her
With so little kills i think there is a real chance scum might have saved guns for later

Plus even if not and they get like one kill tonight tomorrow would be 4v3 lylo in this dead town and good luck solving that