Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Cephrir]

I guess DEB could be a cultist playing bad on purpose to get lynched, but I have trouble imagining any cult leader looking at his play this game and going, "yeah, that's definitely town."

[Cephrir]

I think it's possible the recruits are giving him up at this point because he's claimed scum like three times.

Why give up on him if they can milk the cow just a little bit more and get one more recruit and probably win on the next day or something like that

What other lynch is possible today? If DEB is the cult leader, anyone defending him would just be owning themselves.

[Rautherdir]

Wait. Why don’t we just solve this now. Raur, is DEB a buddy of yours?

The answer to this is no. I don't have any more buddies.

Also, I'm not voting because I'm a hammerer. I'll just let myself hammer wherever and that way it's consistent.

[gobbledygook]

I think it's possible the recruits are giving him up at this point because he's claimed scum like three times.

Why give up on him if they can milk the cow just a little bit more and get one more recruit and probably win on the next day or something like that

What other lynch is possible today? If DEB is the cult leader, anyone defending him would just be owning themselves.

It’s possible cult just flat out die if the leader is lynched so they’re clucked either way. I doubt DEB lives past this day/night cycle at any rate, regardless of his status as cult leader or scum or mafia.

[gobbledygook]

Town or mafia*

[Rautherdir]

I think it's possible the recruits are giving him up at this point because he's claimed scum like three times.

Why give up on him if they can milk the cow just a little bit more and get one more recruit and probably win on the next day or something like that

What other lynch is possible today? If DEB is the cult leader, anyone defending him would just be owning themselves.

It’s possible cult just flat out die if the leader is lynched so they’re clucked either way. I doubt DEB lives past this day/night cycle at any rate, regardless of his status as cult leader or scum or mafia.

We have a uni backup in the game, so I doubt the leader being lynched kills the cultists.

[gobbledygook]

I suspect that Ceph has already backed up hence why his bar closed

[Pink Ball]

I think it's possible the recruits are giving him up at this point because he's claimed scum like three times.

Why give up on him if they can milk the cow just a little bit more and get one more recruit and probably win on the next day or something like that

What other lynch is possible today? If DEB is the cult leader, anyone defending him would just be owning themselves.

UT

[Pine]

Claiming last redscum might actually be an inspired Cult Leader ploy, especially if they have a recruit to protect them hmmmmmm

[gobbledygook]

Claiming last redscum might actually be an inspired Cult Leader ploy, especially if they have a recruit to protect them hmmmmmm

I was thinking it might be a cult recruit ploy personally, but other information he’s revealed makes me thinks he’s just groupscum

[Dr Easy Bake]

Wait, when did I scum claim

3

times? Sounds like a conspiracy.

[Pine]

Claiming last redscum might actually be an inspired Cult Leader ploy, especially if they have a recruit to protect them hmmmmmm

I was thinking it might be a cult recruit ploy personally, but other information he’s revealed makes me thinks he’s just groupscum

DEB’s play today reads like a sacrifice play to draw attention. Cult can win this through attrition as long as we don’t get the leader.

I’m even more convinced that UT is the leader

[Cephrir]

The answer to this is no. I don't have any more buddies.

no one is going to believe this, those votes d2 didn't move themselves

[gobbledygook]

I will wait for your case. We are waiting on ut result anyway

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

We have a uni backup in the game, so I doubt the leader being lynched kills the cultists.

I am specifically not allowed to acquire "roles that town can't have." I suspect this means cult leader.

I suspect that Ceph has already backed up hence why his bar closed

Yep.

Wait, when did I scum claim

3

times? Sounds like a conspiracy.

-awful hider claim
-mason claim
-trolling just now instead of saying anything relevant

[Almost50]

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL.

I'm sorry, but I just woke up and I'm having a hard time parsing this phrase. Unless X is true, then Y is also not true. Doesn't that mean if X is true then Y could be true? In other words, if Pine is Scum he is .. what? Likely to be the CL??

Yeah, I know it's silly, but I don't see what one has to do with the other. You say you Jailed Pine, and the cult still gained a member, so he's not the CL. Wouldn't that make more sense?

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:

Purely to keep us away from L-1 for now since Rauth is a hammerer of some sort apparently. The above discussion needs to happen before we progress or we're just going to be working at cross purposes here.

The count was L-3 on this post.

[KidAmn]

Unless Pine is scum or the scums kill target, they're presumably not CL but could still be CL.

I'm sorry, but I just woke up and I'm having a hard time parsing this phrase. Unless X is true, then Y is also not true. Doesn't that mean if X is true then Y could be true? In other words, if Pine is Scum he is .. what? Likely to be the CL??

Yeah, I know it's silly, but I don't see what one has to do with the other. You say you Jailed Pine, and the cult still gained a member, so he's not the CL. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I mistyped. Literally the next post I corrected myself to "could still be cultrecruit". Are you actually even reading the game?

[Bingle]

~snip~

It's a passive, but I'm notified when it's used.

I suppose we could add dave to the list of outside possibilities, but dave as CL requires gobble to also be cult.

Not technically, actually. Gobble only really has a flavor result, he's assuming princess flavor makes Dave town. Kinda don't want to dig into that bag of worms when dave is a claimed beloved princess though.

Elements kill Raur tonight.

Why would elements do this? It's not to his advantage, but more importantly it's not to town's advantage. Elements needs to hit cult, not scum, both for his sake and ours.

He's at L-3.

Are we seriously trusting a guy who claimed scum? Dude I don't give a flying fuck what happens today, if we don't lynch Rauth tomorrow y'all getting banned. I think Rauth is the Cult Leader and he's going for the smarties. Yeah I said it.

I've considered it. It's not outside the realm of possibility. However, if Rauth is cult leader there's almost certainly another group scum alive and they can shoot him. They should shoot him because there are more cult than scum aorn by any reasonable expectation of game state.

I also don't believe him when he says he's the last group scum because 6 is very low for the number of players. 7-8 groupscum is my bet.

[Cephrir]

ka, a50 is always like this

[Bingle]

We should be lynching DEB, Shooting UT and one more. One more is kinda iffy to me, but I think the best arguments are for A50 and xof.

xof/UT both cult is our worst case scenario here, because the assumption that we only have 4 cult is predicated on their being town (at least an an earlier date). Xof underselling the number of cultists is totally a great cultxof play to keep the focus off of them early, if she's cult leader.

A50 dying is nice for A50, and tbh there's a part of me that doesn't believe he's an Unjester. I'm pretty solid that he's not CL though, so there is that.

Pisskop's results confirm Ceph isn't cult leader more than anything else. Ceph was already confirmed not cult leader unless his first two recruits were UT and xof (in which case fucking lol, that gambit deserved to win).

UT is at least recruited given reluctance to announce a target today, but is probably not the leader given that he hasn't you know, claimed a result. I no longer care about him claiming a result, but him being shot over the night phase is a >>> rand equity shot. Theoretically, all of Rauth, myself, ML, dave and KA are unconfirmed to be not Cult Leader as well, and thus worthy of being shot as well, but there's arguments against all of them.

Rauth will be shot by groupscum if he is not groupscum.
I've been firmly in my town meta for a while now, although there is no one here who could vouch for that. Still, I obviously don't support shooting me.
KA being cult leader necessitates Pine cult, and JK not being in the setup would be kind of weird. KA can confirm himself not cult leader to me by blocking me as well, although a green Pine flip does the same thing. I don't think we're getting a green Pine flip.
ML needs to claim role name.
Killing dave if he's town loses us the game.

[gobbledygook]

Why would elements do this? It's not to his advantage, but more importantly it's not to town's advantage. Elements needs to hit cult, not scum, both for his sake and ours.

Why do you think this? If we hit cult today, do you still believe this?
If we hit cult leader today, do you still believe this?

[Almost50]

How the fuck you guys think DEB is the cult leader for fucks sake he wouldn't be the main wagon at this point if he has his recruits to derail the wagon or not even be part of it aghggggghghghg

Why would they derail the wagon and draw attention to themselves when we have 2 (possibly 3, depending on gobble's previous doubtful claim of being a Vig) running around shooting for the cultists?

Also, did you forget this?

@MOD: What does Cult mean to you?
Cult is an anti-town faction that grows nearer to its win condition simply by expanding night after night.

Sometimes even after the original cult leader dies

. ((See Mainstream Mafia I))

Now if that's the case in here they lose absolutely nothing by sacrificing the original CL. do they? They're already far ahead and can afford to play defence for the rest of the game.

[gobbledygook]

A50 do you seriously believe that I’m not a vig...

[Cephrir]

Ceph was already confirmed not cult leader unless his first two recruits were UT and xof (in which case fucking lol, that gambit deserved to win).

while also being menalque and insidejob?