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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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In post 43, Titus wrote:No scum can be doubled in a hood. We get a conftown. A lot of scenarios get eliminated.
This happens anyway though, if we force whoever we lynch to out their neighbor before they die.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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In post 45, Pine wrote:Indecisive Doc is a weak role, and Phone Operator is almost meaningless except to catch obvious lies...which is also pretty meaningless.

A D2 or D3 Innocent Child, however, is very strong.
The only way that can be achieved is obviously if a scum neighbour is lynched.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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In post 48, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:What’s “F2F” and I don’t understand why the doc has an “indecisive” modifier.
F2F = face-to-face. Presumably doc is indecisive so the phone operator can't claim D1 and be an unkillable IC.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:31 pm

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In post 51, Pine wrote:Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
if the ic doesnt want to out themselves then we dont out the ic

the question is

does the ic want to out now

not do we need an ic
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:31 pm

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In post 51, Pine wrote:Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
Wait, why can't it be the Phone operator? Yes, scum can CC, but then we're trading 1 for 1 and if we lynch right the doc can protect the scum's neighbor.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:32 pm

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In post 49, OkaPoka wrote:titus did hectic go along with your plan?
Didn't tell him. I felt it was obviously superior.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:32 pm

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In post 51, Pine wrote:Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:32 pm

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the real value of doc is after hitting scum we can protect the confirmed town for a night
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:33 pm

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It’s an open setup ffs

Read the setup
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:33 pm

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The Doc is revealed because they’re the only one without a Neighbor. All scum are Neighbors. The Doc is functionally an IC
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:34 pm

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In post 60, Pine wrote:The Doc is functionally an IC
I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:34 pm

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In post 57, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 51, Pine wrote:Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.
Doc can't heal the same person two nights in a row.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:34 pm

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Phone Operator
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:35 pm

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Although I guess you're using IC differently from me. The IC I'm used to is one that can reveal at any time.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:35 pm

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In post 64, Something_Smart wrote:Although I guess you're using IC differently from me. The IC I'm used to is one that can reveal at any time.
and this is the stronger variant

but also

the plan is you claim neighbor if your neighbor is dead or has intent to hammer
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:36 pm

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In post 61, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 60, Pine wrote:The Doc is functionally an IC
I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.
The better one imo and the doc should optimally stay hidden and protect them.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:36 pm

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I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 61, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 60, Pine wrote:The Doc is functionally an IC
I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.
No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICs
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:37 pm

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In post 62, Titus wrote:
In post 57, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 51, Pine wrote:Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.
But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.
Doc can't heal the same person two nights in a row.
Oh, so then they shouldn’t claim but then we can’t keep them safe.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:38 pm

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In post 68, Pine wrote:The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t.
That's why I said before LYLO, so we have the opportunity to lynch both if there is a counterclaim.

There are few situations where a counterclaim would be optimal, especially since the phone operator has the possibility to confirm themself via their results.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:39 pm

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In post 67, OkaPoka wrote:I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:39 pm

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In post 70, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 68, Pine wrote:The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t.
That's why I said before LYLO, so we have the opportunity to lynch both if there is a counterclaim.

There are few situations where a counterclaim would be optimal, especially since the phone operator has the possibility to confirm themself via their results.
I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:40 pm

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In post 68, Pine wrote:
In post 61, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 60, Pine wrote:The Doc is functionally an IC
I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.
No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICs
It said that the operator COULD BE paired with scum, so it also means they could be paired with town.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:41 pm

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In post 71, Pine wrote:
In post 67, OkaPoka wrote:I'm interested in why Pine thinks Titus's plan has any merit whatsoever when S_S literally presented a better plan
Because nuance, OkaPoka. S_S’s plan is where we should start, until we decide we want to blow the setup open.

Titus’s plan is bad for D1, but has merit later in the game
okay but claiming d2/d3 although still suboptimal is not titus's plan

like i feel like your are giving credit to titus when she deserves none
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