Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Titus]

whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy

She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"

Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips

We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B.

I feel I'm outvoted but this is agreeable for now.

[Titus]

I don't think the entire Team Mafia pick a setup easily breakable to give to us.

We just gotta be smart.

It's not totally breakable no. The closest we can come in any scenario is forcing scum into a series of bad decisions.

[Pine]

actually there is literally no reason to ever massclaim dude unless you are looking for team solves/ruling out partners

just claim at intent or nk

I feel like scum!OkaPoka isn’t this stubborn and disagreeable here

whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy

She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"

Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips

We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B.

I feel I'm outvoted but this is agreeable for now.

...and I worry that Town!Titus isn’t this agreeable umm ever

[OkaPoka]

have you ever played with scum me ?

[Titus]

actually there is literally no reason to ever massclaim dude unless you are looking for team solves/ruling out partners

just claim at intent or nk

I feel like scum!OkaPoka isn’t this stubborn and disagreeable here

whats ur 2 cents on titus krazy

She's town but we should be sticking to "strategy A" until there's a town consensus to switch to "strategy B"

Strategy A: Hoods aren't revealed until L-1 with intent to protect the doc
Strategy B: All hoods are revealed to guarantee the production of ICs upon redflips

We can always switch to B, but we can't go back to A once we go B.

I feel I'm outvoted but this is agreeable for now.

...and I worry that Town!Titus isn’t this agreeable umm ever

It's not that I'm agreeable, it's just that I'm not winning that. I have got too many stubborn voices to get through. Your read is a fair read, I just would like to get onto scumhunting now. I'll give you town points for commenting on this, since it's consistent with what I usually say.

[OkaPoka]

unless you can give me a mathematical argument on why just lol outting all the neighborhood has a +ev wr in comparison to the strat of outing upon flips/intent

im just going to treat that argument like flat earthers

and to me saying ur wrong to flat earthers isnt being stubborn

[Elsa Jay]

The earth is Square.

[Titus]

unless you can give me a mathematical argument on why just lol outting all the neighborhood has a +ev wr in comparison to the strat of outing upon flips/intent

im just going to treat that argument like flat earthers

and to me saying ur wrong to flat earthers isnt being stubborn

The setup hasn't been run before, so the arguments are more theoretical rather than practical.

I'm mostly concerned about scum hammering before the flip can be announced. Second, announcing at flips doesn't give us the hard mathmatical eliminations to hunt from. IN a purely optimal sense where town are presumed to have zero scumhunting skills, it's not optimal. I'm not playing mafia in that world though. I'm playing in a world where we play and more information means smarter choices and smarter wagons.

I read people by their associations to each other. By eliminating possible teams, I get a better grip on the game and VCA works better. It just gives a hard data approach to the game.

[OkaPoka]

okay solution is we policy lynch lol hammerers

[Elsa Jay]

Time to lolhammer for the TM points then.

[Titus]

Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.

I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.

I'm strongly leaning town on Pine, Krazy and Oka at the moment. I doubt Elsa and Nancy are scum. That's a little self-centered and convienent to think scum just immediately voted me because I had the optimal plan. I would expect that either Elsa or Nancy is scum but not both.

[Something_Smart]

Jingle tells me Pine and Titus are town.

[Titus]

Time to lolhammer for the TM points then.

Did you just wake up on the disagreeable side of the bed or what?

[OkaPoka]

scum literally have no hand in putting together the neighborhoods thus the data you would get rn is = zero

[OkaPoka]

krazy's entrance posts are kinda bad tbh

[Elsa Jay]

Time to lolhammer for the TM points then.

Did you just wake up on the disagreeable side of the bed or what?

I just got off of work, actually, and saw I got a particularly long week of work, and a full nightshift on my Birthday.

[Titus]

scum literally have no hand in putting together the neighborhoods thus the data you would get rn is = zero

Absolutely not. I cede they had zero input in putting together the hoods but whomever's their partners are is straight up impossible to be S v S. That's why I figured it would be such common sense to out the hoods and then scum hunt for people who read based on relationships with other people. Then, follow that through with who dies and who lives.

Why are Krazy's posts bad?

What are your thoughts on Elsa and Nancy?

I'm off to bed, but I'll follow up tmo.

P-edit: Happy belated birthday!

[Elsa Jay]

I am neighbors with Hectic. We all should claim since scum scum hoods are impossible.

Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.

I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.

Math... Hasn't commented in this game yet, but you claimed partners with Hectic.

The fuck?

[OkaPoka]

my thoughts on all three of those slots are they are boring and put me to sleep

but i have heard high praise of krazy so

[Elsa Jay]

Also my birthday is the 7th, not today, lol.

[Something_Smart]

Math... Hasn't commented in this game yet, but you claimed partners with Hectic.

Mathblade, not Mathdino.

[Titus]

I am neighbors with Hectic. We all should claim since scum scum hoods are impossible.

Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.

I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.

Math... Hasn't commented in this game yet, but you claimed partners with Hectic.

The fuck?

Math (Mathblade) my teammate and brother.

And yes. I do things that are common sense mechanically smart to do without asking. It's my game. I'll seek my teammates input on reads/strategies but I'm not beholden to them.

[Elsa Jay]

...

You gotta be very specific when your in a game with another guy called Math. Legit thought I caught you somehow already slipping from the scum PT

[OkaPoka]

inb4 someone says wow elsa townslipped

[Something_Smart]

Elsa townsl-

Dammit.