Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Xtoxm]

eenie
meenie
miney
VOTE: rc

[the worst]

sigh

[RadiantCowbells]

do you really want to do that in team mafia, xtoxm?

[RCEnigma]

Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

Hi plum. Why was Math calling out TW the post you needed to back off math and why didn't that turn into you pressing TW over it?

Follow-up question that might have been answered, why the Ari vote without interacting with him?

[Iconeum]

eenie
meenie
miney
VOTE: rc

[Iconeum]

So Ico what's your take on me rn

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

Yes Ico

what post(s) were you mindmelting with exactly?

[Iconeum]

Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

hmm? do you townread me for that or not? don't hedge your read like this plz

[the worst]

ank is stronger than i am.
she has math, rc, ico and tris as town
skitter as town but fragile.

and is scumreading rce, plum

i am withholding her read on aristophanes, and omitting nullreads

[the worst]

she is also leaning town on me but apparently that read is fragile as well.

[RCEnigma]

Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

hmm? do you townread me for that or not? don't hedge your read like this plz

I read you for it. Don't put this pressure on me.

[RCEnigma]

ank is stronger than i am.
she has math, rc, ico and tris as town
skitter as town but fragile.

and is scumreading rce, plum

i am withholding her read on aristophanes, and omitting nullreads

Please can we not do this? It's cool if your partners are influencing your reads but x is reading x slot town/scum influences ALL of the games.

[RCEnigma]

Yes Ico

what post(s) were you mindmelting with exactly?

rc are you going to be communicating through those for long, because it's going to get annoying really quickly

Disagree. I kinda like this RC.

I'll go into the why after Teacher answers my question but I'm reading the why and not the read itself. Which is where the inferred meld comes from.

[Plum]

Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

Hi plum. Why was Math calling out TW the post you needed to back off math and why didn't that turn into you pressing TW over it?

Follow-up question that might have been answered, why the Ari vote without interacting with him?

To me it was mostly that he denied and blocked a would-be Townread of himself quickly and confidently ... but that doesn't mean I strongly agree with his interpretation of the worst's actions. The interaction reflected much more strongly on MathBlade than the worst, to me.

Ari is someone I had discussed with my team, actually. I had initially felt comfortable about him but on reflection I think that's just playstyle and the only thing that really stood out was being cautious with tris' Townread of him, calling himself an "easy pocket" but having thought about it I didn't think it was, as the kids say now, outside his scumrange. On reread, I agreed with a teammate. Call it gut, on both our counts. But I'll try to say what pings the gut, I don't love the tris vote (based on how "ruffled" she seems by MathBlade, but dependent on her own assessment of herself as an "emotional player" or not?), and feel that the response to MathBlade getting worked up about tris quoting RC without additions (something very commonly done in different forms - quoting without comment, quoting with "this" or "+1" appended) being that doing so was "negative scum equity" for tris ... it's kind of extra? Especially if he Townreads MathBlade, as he states shortly after?

I have another scumread shared with a teammate in teacher, which I'm holding for the moment in case the lack of desktop access was changing stuff there.

[Plum]

So Ico what's your take on me rn

UNVOTE:

care to expand on this a bit?

[RCEnigma]

I blinked and lost my place but surface level sounds believable. Another pin for later.

[the worst]

ank is stronger than i am.
she has math, rc, ico and tris as town
skitter as town but fragile.

and is scumreading rce, plum

i am withholding her read on aristophanes, and omitting nullreads

Please can we not do this? It's cool if your partners are influencing your reads but x is reading x slot town/scum influences ALL of the games.

i literally do not know how to respond to this i'm sorry

i don't feel remotely bad or unjustified in shading my partner's thoughts, and i will not be discussing any other ongoing games in this thread

[the worst]

I have another scumread shared with a teammate in teacher, which I'm holding for the moment in case the lack of desktop access was changing stuff there.

i'd just be generally interested to see why you have teacher south of null rn

[RCEnigma]

I don't think you should but take this into account. I'm going to use this example but in reality I'm remaining impartial. Example:

Ank is scumreading me here, I know my alignment and I also know that Ank does not know me well enough to have a solid read on me. Now I have to make an assessment on your alignment based on a read from a player that isn't in this game. Because Ank could be feeding you a trajectory to create mislynches.

When I would much rather know how you yourself are reading the game because you're the one playing and the slot that I have to sort here, not Ank.

Does that make sense?

[RCEnigma]

I don't think it's shady to play with your partners reads or you should feel guilty. I just think it muddies the game by making it more complicated than it needs to be.

Also consider that just via human nature being misread by the players in someone else's team has the potential to skew biases when giving reads to your own team. Not saying it will but it could.

[the worst]

i don't think that should meaningfully impact your ability to read me tbqh
i happen to revere ank's reads and wanted to share them

that's about it

[RadiantCowbells]

would you scum read Ank if ank were here for scumreading you

[RadiantCowbells]

gotta say I'm not scumreading RcE and I'm not super keen on that read.

[RadiantCowbells]

as in, from Ank.

[the worst]

that's the read that piqued my curiosity the most too - she's finding him a bit too compromisey, doesn't feel like his posting trajectory reads true and like he's been responding to kinda.. odd things.

i don't disagree with her, but i'm not confident i can read him yet.