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[davesaz]

but flow in a way that makes it so I'm not really inclined to read them beyond surface level

Can you give an example of this? I'm not seeing it.

[chennisden]

I've ISO dug him and looked specifically for "stuff that sounds like he's doing stuff but won't be dug in too deeply." I came out with pretty much his entire ISO.

Please read these quotes word-for-word and not gloss over them. I initially got a towny feel from him because I wasn't really considering his content or tone specifically but rather the general feels he gave, which I think is pretty common in scum players these days.

(I might double-check with meta if I feel like it but I think Farkran being scum is likely to be independent of meta.)

Why does that have to be the case?

That's my question to you. You went out of your way to say i am pocketing you, but made no mention of my other townreads.

I think town would have either said nothing or ask me why i am townreading them and the other guys rather than instantly fossing me for pocketing.

Why? Do you agree with my other reads so much that you don't need to question them?

Uncharacteristically serious reaction to something that was probably meant to be jokey. Reads poorly through a tone perspective as well.

Ok

Honestly I'm mostly fucking around atm, I don't actually believe that

VOTE: ankamius

Reconsidering my previous read after this very weak exchange

@a50 what do you think of anka rn?

Also weird, don't understand the A50 callout

Spoiler: a million flavour signals

Okay.

Moving onto more important topics.

Do we have any single ladies in the house tonight?

I'm a pringle mingle and ready to single

Now put your hands up!

‘Cause if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it

All the single ladies

(All the single ladies)

You make crumbing look like a baking contest.

This post is observant of you, but it lacks a conclusion statement - do you think deas flavor could be AI, or indicative of anything else relevant? Was it just a note?

This is terrible.

The quote from EP is also pretty bad.

@volpe generally speaking i understand your concerns but surely you must have some thoughts about anka now, if not about him directly, you should have noticed some people revolving around him

From your posts i get that you're trying to give your direction to the game and that is NAI - not being trustful of other players fits either with a paranoid town mindset or a scum looking for a broad lynchpool

Which one are you?

Personally my opinion of Fark's list is "bad."
Not alignment-indicative. Just bad.
Farkran how confident are you in your scum game?

I like playing scum, won 2 games so far, one of them being the one you recently hostes so you should know more than other players here how i go around as scum

What makes my list bad to you? As in, what reads would you consider wrong and why?

First line is pretty NAI

Second seems too earnest

@volpe generally speaking i understand your concerns but surely you must have some thoughts about anka now, if not about him directly, you should have noticed some people revolving around him

From your posts i get that you're trying to give your direction to the game and that is NAI - not being trustful of other players fits either with a paranoid town mindset or a scum looking for a broad lynchpool

Which one are you?

You've watched me solve that normal 2106 in the dead thread, didn't you?

Do you think you need to ask what kind of player I'm? Do you really have no speculations of your own?

I honestly forgot about you in the normal dead chat, sorry i remember liking your posts but i didn't associate them with your nickname (i.e. in my mind i went like "player x posted stuff i like"). It may be helpful but i cannot form a super specific profile of you based on that only. Spectating is way different than actively playing.

That being said i already offered my interpretation of your posts here, and i want to hear more of your opinions of the current gamestate.

Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them, which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

This is pretty awful like actually READ this post.

"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,

which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

"

What the actual heck is this

How did he get away with this

Also I called it bad purely because it was out of place.

I interpret this opinion as in everyone is currently null to you?

Correct me if i am wrong - i fail to see the need of commenting my readlist if you don't agree nor disagree with it, unless you think i made it up in which case you are currently scumleaning me - again, please tell me where i am wrong, i don't want to put words in your mouth, just voicing my thoughts

The content isn't necessarily

bad

per say, but I don't really think that an actual town human being really thinks this. Sounds like scum trying to cover bases

Tone is weird.

Last post because I'm getting back to work

I did answer you on ank/vex though so I'm not sure what I'm dodging. It may look like I'm dodging since I throw a curve ball back but I think I more or less answered most things?

Anyway I'm just slow to give reads because I like the reads to be grounded, so I'm careful about what I say. I also think that most posts in a mafia game are a bit useless because I get my reads from 2 or 3 posts each person have that in my head I go "This really comes more often than town" or "This comes more often from scum".

I'm mostly looking around and waiting everyone to post enough to find meaningful posts for everyone or something

Sorry, my post was before i read your 140

I'd mostly like to hear your read of anka - or why you aren't interested in their posts given that you said you skimmed them.

I mean, i'm trying to build a profile of people around me because i literally haven't played with anyone in this plist, i just vaguely know some people from minor interactions like gif modding me or you posting stuff in that dead chat

Weird I guess, but fine

Also I called it bad purely because it was out of place.

I interpret this opinion as in everyone is currently null to you?

Correct me if i am wrong - i fail to see the need of commenting my readlist if you don't agree nor disagree with it, unless you think i made it up in which case you are currently scumleaning me - again, please tell me where i am wrong, i don't want to put words in your mouth, just voicing my thoughts

UT is scum. That's for sure.

Your readlist is horrible because you declared yourself as a king of readlists and yet you put "gif" and "powerscumming" together but I have tried very hard to drop that bias you see. So with dropping that bias, it rose to "bad."
It's also out of place because it's a first post readlist very early stage. Things like that is usually done by people who wants to be townread, and it should be concerning unless I know that they're the self-conscious type. I called it NAI because both town and scum can do it.

Is this your posting or team's?

What the fuck is this question

Let's talk more about Espresso. I see some common opinion forming on him that i don't agree with and i'd like to understand why. I'll go into detail in my next posts

Probably the towniest thing he's posted this game

Although, unsurprisingly, it's still possible to ascribe some scum motivation to this

am I being pocketed

I got my eye on you

Ok

Honestly I'm mostly fucking around atm, I don't actually believe that

VOTE: Ankamius

I really dislike the instant backtracking here

This though, this sucks.
VOTE: Espresso Pat
I feel like this is a surface level ready that scum go on. One of those classic 'hey this post looks scummy I can vote it.' Because town normally thinks a bit more about the posts in question. Like, why does scum Ank feel the need to backtrack so suddenly? It's not like Ank is a scared scum player or she needed to take back the read. No one was keeping pressure on her. I think this guy was just trying to find something to cling to.

Do you think espresso jumped opportunistically on the wagon against anka? Does this mean you think Anka's recent exchanges are NAI and this is scum!espresso trying to find scum motivation where you think there isn't any?

More specifically, why do you think Espresso has voted ankamius based on a superficial analysis whereas you don't find Ankamius reactions superficial?

I'm reasonably confident that the only possible scum on my wagon is espresso

Do you just agree with maria here or do you have your own reasons for believing espresso could be the only scum in your current wagon of {GIF, nom³, fark, espresso}?

Also sounds earnest and weird

I think EP is actually a really easy lynch and might not be scum at this point

Why do you think espresso is an easy lynch based on what happened so far? He only interacted with 2 or 3 people and is only fossed by maria and anka, with just 1 vote from maria. There's nothing pointing to him being lynchbait at this point

Or is there any meta reason i am not aware of?

Very meh post, sounds earnest again

[chennisden]

TL;DR I don't want to read a wall:

1) Farkran's ISO is towny on a surface level but actually bad if you read it
2) He's posting in a way that makes it really easy to just skim/not actually read his posts but moreso focus on the interactions

around

him, which really just comes from scum a lot (see Reundo in Large normal 224, etc)
3) Sounds reasonable at first glance but there's a lot of scummy overeagerness, which as #2 says, kind of doesn't get read into

I don't care, please give me the summarized one-liner:

"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,

which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

" is scummy as fuck
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,

which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

" is scummy as fuck
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,

which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

" is scummy as fuck
$\cdots$
"Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them,

which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated

" is scummy as fuck

[GuyInFreezer]

So far I find dave's posts so far hilariously passive and haven't done much content wise.
And yet why am I subconsciously townreading him?
This is to be added to the pile of GIF's mysteries of mysteries.

[chennisden]

Dave... you also feel similar to Large Normal 224

(For context he was scum)

[Elements]

VOTE: dave

[chennisden]

No one's here, I'm bored, I'll go watch anime now

[Ankamius]

I don't scumread dave

[Elements]

someone give me a number

[GuyInFreezer]

Quick chennis left everyone show up now

[GuyInFreezer]

There are many juicy development going on here but they're all things that are better when naturally developed without my intervention.
So I'm just sitting here and be like "pls when's the next episode"

[Flavor Leaf]

17

[Elements]

no one has given me a number yet
p-edit: what timing

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve like tried to catch up, and I’m physically reading, but it just isn’t sticking in my head right now. Anyone else get like that sometimes?

[GuyInFreezer]

Me every fucking game.

[chennisden]

I’ve like tried to catch up, and I’m physically reading, but it just isn’t sticking in my head right now. Anyone else get like that sometimes?

Ya I get that feel, happens when youre in the wrong headspace for this game

[chennisden]

Like this game of mafia specifically

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m in a trolling headspace, but it’s Team Mafia. That’s the explanation.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll try to be here.

If anyone needs me, just go

“YO FLAVOR” then ask something, and I’ll do my darndest.

[davesaz]

VOTE: flavor leaf

[Volpe14]

Last post because I'm getting back to work

I did answer you on ank/vex though so I'm not sure what I'm dodging. It may look like I'm dodging since I throw a curve ball back but I think I more or less answered most things?

Anyway I'm just slow to give reads because I like the reads to be grounded, so I'm careful about what I say. I also think that most posts in a mafia game are a bit useless because I get my reads from 2 or 3 posts each person have that in my head I go "This really comes more often than town" or "This comes more often from scum".

I'm mostly looking around and waiting everyone to post enough to find meaningful posts for everyone or something

Sorry, my post was before i read your 140

I'd mostly like to hear your read of anka - or why you aren't interested in their posts given that you said you skimmed them.

I mean, i'm trying to build a profile of people around me because i literally haven't played with anyone in this plist, i just vaguely know some people from minor interactions like gif modding me or you posting stuff in that dead chat

I didn't have an opinion in ank in the moment of that post. It's as simply as that.

As for why I didn't pay attention to her posts, it's the wrong question/mindset. Fact is that I didn't pay attention to most people posts in early game, I can barely remember one or two other than the ones that struck me out like your opening post with a read list.

Right now I still don't have an opinion on ank by herself but I do already have opinions about her slot/alignment, if that makes any sense.

I'm mostly playing with ideas right now.

[kuribo]

I’ve like tried to catch up, and I’m physically reading, but it just isn’t sticking in my head right now. Anyone else get like that sometimes?

Same but I haven't slept in like four days so it's all just a big jumble of coughing spells, patients ringing for pain medicine and people discussing players I've never heard of in my life

[kuribo]

Well three days now


It'll be four by tomorrow morning

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I’ll 1v1 dave. Interested in seeing what happens

VOTE: Davesaz

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll try to be here.

If anyone needs me, just go

“YO FLAVOR” then ask something, and I’ll do my darndest.

This is me essentially screaming for someone to give me a reason to get emotionally invested so I’m not deadpan.