In post 324, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh by the way I don't necessarily think Farkran is scum.
I feel like he's getting shit on for his playstyle (I don't actually know his playstyle at all, but based on the patterns I've seen, it looks like one.)
I don't townread him either though.
This is about where I’m at.
I don’t even think it’s a bad playstyle by any means, and I’ve never played with them, and I am getting slight vibes of Scum Brian Skies, who I had a pretty good track record of reading. He’s not Brian Skies, though.
After seeing he is rather new, it makes more sense, mixed in with Chennis being scummy, i just need some more really.
I didn’t like Fakran’s last post on Chennis, though.
In post 324, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh by the way I don't necessarily think Farkran is scum.
I feel like he's getting shit on for his playstyle (I don't actually know his playstyle at all, but based on the patterns I've seen, it looks like one.)
I don't townread him either though.
I don't feel i'm particularly getting shit on though, it's usually much worse. You should ask RC and bitmap
In post 324, GuyInFreezer wrote:Oh by the way I don't necessarily think Farkran is scum.
I feel like he's getting shit on for his playstyle (I don't actually know his playstyle at all, but based on the patterns I've seen, it looks like one.)
I don't townread him either though.
I don't feel i'm particularly getting shit on though, it's usually much worse. You should ask RC and bitmap
Or volpe, actually. Now that he reminded me he spectated that normal game, he probably knows better than anyone here.
"I used to think you had this elegant-trolly, minimalist playstyle. Then I realized the playstyle is ~Lazy~
The true enlightenment was realizing that they are the same thing."
~fferyllt
"who the fuck fakeclaims Tracker like that
WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT"
~Alisae
In post 290, Farkran wrote:
I want to sort Anka and chennis. The latter refusing to take a stance on the currently highest wagon is bad, adding up to all the other reasons i'm scumreading him. I may decide to switch my vote to chennis soon - waiting for some more content from him and anka though.
The reason I'm not taking a stance on Ank is because I don't have enough actual content to make a read
Also do you really expect me to really care about who's the biggest wagon at 300 posts
Do you really
Yes, i do. You went out of your way to produce a (unmotivated) stance on espresso who had way less content than anka did, implying you did not agree with Maria (and to a lesser extent Anka) scumleaning the slot, so i find it weird that you had not said a word about Anka herself.
Pedit: i think i have talked plenty about why i am scumreading you in my recent posting. Read on espresso felt TMI, your push on me is awful, and not voting here when you literally screamed i am scum also looks like you're trying to avoid looking bad - note that you didn't ask me or prod me about anything, you just threw a (bad) scumcase towards me.
VOTE: chennis, could be scumpartners with Anka but, slots taken independently, i scumread this more.
I think it's reallyveryclear that it's a gamestate reaction, so "unmotivated" is untrue. Also, since it's a gamestate reaction, my lack of enthusiasm to call EP scum is because EP being scum feels "too good to be true."
The reason I didn't say anything about Ank is because I don't really have a read on Ank
How I feel about EP doesn't really change that much right now based on their alignments
Trying to parse their alignments from EP is kind of useless right now
"TMI":
It's a gamestate read, not really sure how I'm supposed to respond to that. Also this implies you believe it's TMI because there's no reason to do so in the gamestate when the opposite is true
"Awful push":
I'll be primary looking at 227.
I assume your comment on A50 is referring to "Also weird, don't understand the A50 callout." I saw your scumread on him. That's not a satisfactory reason to "why did you ask A50
specifically
." In fact that's not even a
reason.
"Moreover, you twisted the sentence you bolded out thrice"
No. The sentence "Right now you are mostly dodging questions and/or turning them back at who asked them, which is fine for a while but some answers would also be appreciated" implies that you're okay with your questions being ignored. This also implies you're okay with ignoring scummy behavior in favor of avoiding noise. I don't think I've misrepresented what you've said.
"It's superficial"
Nope
"1) Farkran's ISO is towny on a surface level but actually bad if you read it
2) He's posting in a way that makes it really easy to just skim/not actually read his posts but moreso focus on the interactions around him, which really just comes from scum a lot (see Reundo in Large normal 224, etc)
3) Sounds reasonable at first glance but there's a lot of scummy overeagerness, which as #2 says, kind of doesn't get read into"
I think this is non-trivial. I also don't think you've responded to this at all.
"Turning questions back at who asked them can come from town"
Anything can come back from town. This is 1) really wishy-washy language and 2) means nothing to me.
"the correct course of action would have been to delve deep into my reads"
I could literally put the majority of the playerlist in an RNG and it'd offer as much information as your readlists
Spoiler: readslist
The only part of this "readslist" that was not determined by RNG was my placing on Farkran.
After removing some players that haven't really posted this is my "readslist"
davesaz - Busboy Revolution
GuyInFreezer - Bird That Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
MariaR - Ripple's Krazy Mistress Dunn
DeasVail - The Lit Torches
Flavor Leaf - Wild Cards
nomnomnom - SubOptimal Math
Volxen - Derp Wolves
Elements - Team "Team" Team
Ankamius - cancel food
Vex Vience - Doomsday
EspressoPatronum - Newb Kids on the Block
kuribo - The Four Horsement
Volpe14 - Tea Gathering Club
Almost50 - You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
Farkran - DFKN
"which is based on literally your gut feeling alone."
Gut is valuable and it's actually a really good way to catch wolves, especially deepwolves. Probably a playstyle difference, but I believe there's this non-formalizable and hard to word exactly feeling that you just
get
from people and their posting and scum benefits a lot off of people not actually
getting
much from (shallow) posting.
"This in particular feels like you are actively trying to SQUEEZE out scum motivation from my posts instead of deducing it. Like, why would you find scum motivation in me talking about espresso when you were townreading him just moments ago?"
If I townread everyone who agreed with me on something I'd be somehow worse than I am now at mafia
"Not voting me":
It's easier to sort someone when you have a vote that hangs in the balance. This comes down to personal preference really, and right now I feel it's a net loss if I vote you
I can sort without votes. I usually prefer to sort without votes. I'm trying to figure this game out right now, not get you lynched.
I think I've been somewhat transparently trying not to dominate the game by not talking about my reads to not bias other people input on them/hurt general game development.
I'm not sure what you're talking about Flavor, but honestly I don't get what you were talking about Chennis trying to "swing you over" either so it may not be something wrong on my side.
If I wanted to be town leader I would have not given up in leading discussions and would keep pushing Vex or Fark even if it would bias other people into their reads on those slots
I did the opposite of that. If you want to give me a scum read I recommend to at least pay attention to what I'm doing and understand that I would be trying to go for shadow agent and not town leader here.
I'm like...being quite harsh on my tone with you here but it's because I know as fact that you're just distracting this from a more useful direction so I want to rebut you as fast as possible and I in fact don't think your argument is reasonable here. not like scum reading me here is completely unreasonable but that's not really what I would call a valid reason...
It’s Page 14, I think it’s incredibly valuable discussion. Much more than running around in circles with Fakran and Chennis.
I feel right now that you are scum who doesn’t like, or even think there is, a case on them, and granted, I very much realize I need more, and I could be wrong. Again, it’s page 14, but by no means is that not an avenue that I want to just ignore.
In post 344, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think a leader needs to be the one saying the most, the leader needs to be the one setup to have the people follow them when they do speak.
You're talking about me trying to actively form a town block?
I don't think that's something specific of my scum game. I did it in C9 in a meme tone, and I did ally people up in Baton Pass but it was a lot more subtly/give-and-take.
Here I'm really just trying to form a block of townies that will stick together and vote together to maximize wagon'ing efficiency. I even said in the past it's something I would like to do as town anyway?
Then like, what in my play itself and not in me forming a block of people do you dislike if anything?
I’m one of the biggest flip floppers on site, but that’s because my reads evolve rather than flip, if that makes sense.
I may be pushing you incorrectly. If I am, show me. Otherwise we just running in circles. Push your Chennis case more if you feel like it, but I’ll be here to shut it down.
I just got to my gym, I’ll be climbing for about 2 hours. Do your thing. I’ll return soon.
