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[Flavor Leaf]

I actually made the push before you were trying to town block, or if you did the town block before, you ninja’d me.

[Volpe14]

It’s Page 14, I think it’s incredibly valuable discussion. Much more than running around in circles with Fakran and Chennis.

I feel right now that you are scum who doesn’t like, or even think there is, a case on them, and granted, I very much realize I need more, and I could be wrong. Again, it’s page 14, but by no means is that not an avenue that I want to just ignore.

Why it's running in circles with Fark/Chennis?

We barely started talking about Chennis in more depth.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re just hung up on my push, and I’m replying back to you.

[Volpe14]

I actually made the push before you were trying to town block, or if you did the town block before, you ninja’d me.

You're being a ditzy again to be fair.

I think it was clear I was trying to form a town block when I talked about masonhood with Fark/Elems way before you said anything on me?

Actually, the fact you don't realize makes me think you didn't really read my ISO?

[Volpe14]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not me

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

From my understanding in the sample roles/early convos it seems it's a common thing for there to be hoods, which apparently can have some sort of ability

in that case

@Mod Are the members of a certain hood able to target one of their own members with their group ability?

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[Flavor Leaf]

I absolutely don’t remember a single post you made prior to the Chennis push.

I don’t believe i acted like I read your ISO.

[Flavor Leaf]

I play in real time most of the time, and go back and do work when I’m by myself

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Spoiler: Unformatted VC

Ankamius (2): nomnomnom, EspressoPatronum
GuyInFreezer (2): Almost50, Vex Vience
Almost50 (1): Gammagooey
kuribo (1): Ankamius
Flavor Leaf (2): Dr Easy Bake, davesaz
DeasVail (1): kuribo
EspressoPatronum (3): volxen, MariaR, DeasVail
Volpe14 (2): GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf
Farkran (1): Elements
chennisden (2): Farkran, Volpe14

Not Voting (1): chennisden

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is 1/16 at 10PM EST.

[Volpe14]

Flavor I don't want to use past examples because it's an extremely cheap thing to do since this is a different game, but one of the reasons that I'm pushing back against this vehemently is because in Mini Normal Colors, while I was pushing Oka (actual scum), you came around barely having read the game and began pushing me which distracted from the oka wagon that could actually have turned around the game if it had happened at that day.

From what I've seen in your arguments, I don't think you've read the game thoroughly and is just grasping at straws, what is fine for early game, but I really think that in a slow game like this I would rather not waste day time with this push. I really think it's an objectively bad push right now (and you aren't exactly showing me wrong here?).

I feel it's an important waste of time/energy especially in a more lurky playerlist like this one.

[chennisden]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not me

I don't think you've really talked about me a lot and "Ctrl+F Chennis" supports this

[chennisden]

Also unless I missed something major "Volpe's scumcase on Chennis" does not exist

It was practically a naked vote

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re talking like I have more than one argument.

The only thing I’m pushing you for is the sheer timing of the Chennis wagon, and now it’s a little because of the defensive nature of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also unless I missed something major "Volpe's scumcase on Chennis" does not exist

It was practically a naked vote

With fluff

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess it wasn’t a case. It’s really just the timing of it all.

Like, it was scummy timing, even if they flip town, it was scummy timing.

[Volpe14]

Then talk about it more. I’m not stopping you.

I meant that people in general didn't talk about Chennis that much, not me

I don't think you've really talked about me a lot and "Ctrl+F Chennis" supports this

I didn't talk about you because you're in the null/nullscum list that I'm not really talking about as a whole currently, so I voted you to see where it would go to and I would also progressively talk more about you but I didn't want to dominate the discussion

Everyone bringing pieces of their opinions is more valuable than me laying out a case to everyone copypaste/agree/disagree.

[Volpe14]

/shrug

If you're town I tried to help you reading me FL

I don't care anymore about your opinion to be fair, another reason I wanted you to turn around on it is because if Chennis flips scum in this scenario I would need to lynch you as a matter of fact.

Chennis isn't really my top pick though

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

From my understanding in the sample roles/early convos it seems it's a common thing for there to be hoods, which apparently can have some sort of ability

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@Mod Are the members of a certain hood able to target one of their own members with their group ability?

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[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t need you to tell me how to town read you, i need you to show me i should town read you

[Flavor Leaf]

because if Chennis flips scum in this scenario I would need to lynch you as a matter of fact.

Because as scum, I go from pushing them hard, then immediately backtracking as soon as the wagon comes up? That brings absolutely zero benefit to a scumChennis/FL team.

[Volpe14]

I don't think there's any kind of interaction with a partner that it's outside of your meta FL, and if you're siding with Chennis here and he's scum, just like Oka was, lynching you afterwards is kind of a priority doesn't matter what kind of WIFOM you throw at the wall.

To be fair I'm mostly entertaining you here because I'm bored and wanted to play mafia so now that my willingness to play mafia is a bit gone, I would rather cut off the convo that's not going anywhere useful. You've not really read the game yet but is trying to discuss it and last time you tried it, it was advantageous to ignore you...?

I don't mean to come off rude but it's just the truth from my pov.

It's not really about you siding with Chennis, it's more about you doing a push that doesn't take itself seriously and trying to change gamestate with it.

What is like...exactly the kind of bullshit you pull as scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree with that last statement hard.

As scum, I know exactly what’s going on from literally every single person’s perspective

[Volpe14]

I felt like, the game was starting to go somewhere useful and you bang in and say "I've not read the thread but that sole vote is pretty scummy so let's go with that push" which can throw off the good direction/development it was going to? What is also...what I think scum you would do when town start gaining cohesion?

Not that you necessarily would be scum but I don't think it's something positive to be doing here.

edit: as scum you also try to claim that you would do better than what you're doing, constantly. so what? I do that too.

[Flavor Leaf]

And why should I take this push seriously. I pushed it as much as I needed to. You just keep responding, and I’m a reactionary player. You’re here to comment, I’m here to reply.

Your trajectory mixed in with defensiveness is scummy to me, which has added discussion and reasoning to my initial comment and vote.

If that changes, I’ll change it.

I push gamestate reads. Just because I town read someone or scum read them, doesn’t mean that’s what I think they are, that’s just what it’s coming across as.

In forkbomb, I scumread Flubbernugget, which meant I town read him, and that’s how I forked Bins out of nowhere.

I say my thoughts transparently, and it allows me to take a step back later and evaluate why exactly I’m thinking that. Is that person actually scummy or is scum positioning themselves to make that happen. Is scum even doing anything?

Your defensiveness and flip changes that.