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[Vex Vience]

Volpe I'm not sure what you were thinking but you probably didn't make the smartest set of moves here concerning the defense you chose.

I'm not being smart either, I'm town, I'm just really sure that FL should die here, right now.

Well since you're acting dumb I'll just make sure everyone knows what I'm talking about.

Me and Volpe are sharing a PT together, with a third person. In that thread he suggested the idea that he intentionally shook up his meta in order to beat "meta players" present in the event. So your whole defense about "how I should recognize your scumgame" is completely bullshit.

Secondly, in that thread, you actually do display emotional manipulation. To summarize the whole thing Volpe plays the "I don't want to play this game anymore" card in the thread after the discussion that ensued there, which I will not talk about. You did this very same thing in C9++, shall I note, although again I want to trust the words you said back then about that thing not being alignment indicative, but this is what you stated as defense.

It's probably not smart to use a defense that can be disproven by your own words. You talk a bit too much.

if this is the case, and you are trying to use this to argue scum!volpe, you should surmize how that conversation went because that would be pretty important for us to know.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

[nomnomnom]

nom on the other hand i feel like is just scummy in general atm. i dont like how nom has kinda interjected here and there during it and bashed volpe every single time. i also dont feel like nom's posts during it really added anything of value to it

Then you clearly need to re-read our interaction together, if you think I only commented on Volpe's side of the argument, and that I added nothing of value.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say, it is half working if he’s scum doing this. I’m starting to lessen on him being scum, but then I get paranoid that’s what he’s doing.

If he isn’t doing that, and he’s town, Flavor Fever makes sense.

[Volpe14]

Me and Volpe are sharing a PT together, with a third person. In that thread he suggested the idea that he intentionally shook up his meta in order to beat "meta players" present in the event. So your whole defense about "how I should recognize your scumgame" is completely bullshit.

My frankness as town doesn't change one bit even if I change playstyle.

It's not AtE, it's just being frank like I was in 1v1 with FL. That's completely different than changing my "style" or whatever.

It's like, I just cut straight to the cheese as town and you hadn't even read that thread while you were reading me here.

[nomnomnom]

if this is the case, and you are trying to use this to argue scum!volpe, you should surmize how that conversation went because that would be pretty important for us to know.

It pertains to how we should use our power. Volpe was not too thrilled about that discussion's direction and said that after a while.
I won't say more.

[Volpe14]

I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

No, I think your scum game is good but I don't really get paranoid of you, because I don't think you're that good at getting town read as scum.

You're better at influencing gamestate even being scum read as scum.

But this has nothing to do with that.

You just said some really unreasonable shit about my read list

[Volpe14]

Flavor I'm never moving my out of you fwiw.

Nomnom I don't know what to say to you other than consider the mastermind I was in C9++ compared to what you seem to be like "I gotcha you" here.

But like ok If you're town I'm not gonna hold it out against you. Not that I'm town reading you though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Volpe just has Flavor Fever. He’s heard of my scum game, and is just hyper paranoid.

No, I think your scum game is good but I don't really get paranoid of you, because I don't think you're that good at getting town read as scum.

You're better at influencing gamestate even being scum read as scum.

But this has nothing to do with that.

You just said some really unreasonable shit about my read list

If that’s the way you think about playing scum, i wanna play scum against you so bad.

I actively try not to get town read as scum. People think you need to be town read as scum. Kinda surface level scum play.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor I'm never moving my out of you fwiw.

Nomnom I don't know what to say to you other than consider the mastermind I was in C9++ compared to what you seem to be like "I gotcha you" here.

But like ok If you're town I'm not gonna hold it out against you. Not that I'm town reading you though.

That’s just poor town play :shrug:

[nomnomnom]

The mastermind you were? Did we read the same game? You were massively freaking out in that game and coming up with ideas while hyperventilating as hell. Is that your idea of masterminding?

Anyway, I'm still sorting people. This discussion is interesting in the sense it allows me to get more reads so yeah.

[Volpe14]

Nomnom is fairly scummy to be honest but first I want FL

Her one-sided bashing is something she does quite often as scum actually.

In Colors she kept bashing omochan and in one of her first scum games she kept bashing the easy target Baezu.

She also likes to mislynch so FL/Nomnom makes sense here by the way

[Volpe14]

Ok nomnom, fair.

[nomnomnom]

I kind of want to put Vex as town for now. There's no reason to make that comment as scum. If there's a scum in FLvVolpe there's no reason to interject like this as it creates associatives for no reason and there's no reason redirecting like this if both are town. That's just absolute nonsense scum play to me so I guess I'll put him as town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok I don't have much time atm but basically our group as a collective thinks that volpe is town and lynching our townread is very bad idea.

[Volpe14]

I think Vex is townier for that comment indeed. What makes me think that the Ank/MariaR thing might also be just bias and maybe FL or you is just scum...?

[Vex Vience]

i have.

Spoiler:

I think I've been somewhat transparently trying not to dominate the game by not talking about my reads to not bias other people input on them/hurt general game development.

If I wanted to be town leader I would have not given up in leading discussions and would keep pushing Vex or Fark even if it would bias other people into their reads on those slots

I did the opposite of that.

These two posts are an immense redflag. To me it feels like you read FL's accusations and you decided to argue the one point a scum would argue about.
So much of a red flag I'm going to change my read on your slot.
VOTE: Volpe

post is against volpe.

I think the funniest part in all of this is that, no offense, FL's accusation was honestly extremely bad and the basis of it was nonsense, but your reaction to it actually made the move work in my opinion lol

This second reaction to my vote honestly cements the impression I had when reading your reaction to FL's posts. I think Volpe now has a lot of chances to flip scum off that alone.

pedit: How is my vote a bad vote?

post is against volpe, and to a lesser degree, fl. but the post is mostly against volpe.

Well, yes, I did follow C9++ closely given I modded that game. And I firmly remember you stating that your emotional state in that game had nothing to do with manipulation and fulfilling your scum wincon.

Are you backtracking on that statement just because of my scumread on you?

post is against volpe.

I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.

I'm not sure I get that.

Volpe wagon is dumb as fuck and whoever is on that wagon for non-meme reasons should feel bad.

How is it dumb?

post isn't against anyone and arguably helps push the game forward a bit.

nom you of all people should know why this wagon is dumb.

Spell it out for me.

i could see this being productive, but at the same time, i don't?

Nomnom vote is odd to me when she should know a bit better about my scum game but again, I don't really expect her to have accuracy on reading me so dunno. The whole vote just feels very sheepy of FL vibe though.

I do know about your scumgame. And I do think this is entirely within your scumgame. I don't see why it wouldn't be.
If you're going to say this isn't your scumgame because you are not emotionally manipulating people... when the only game of yours I watched closely, you went to hell and back to make sure everyone understood that your emotional outbursts had nothing to do with your wincon, then I'm going to be very confused.

post is against volpe.

Actually, I'm tempted to death tunnel FL saying that my readlist is people that are going after me because that REALLLYY gives me a hard time thinking it comes from town

I mean he's not wrong, you added me in that list as soon as I voted you lol

The literal only other interaction we had was you acting smug when I said I thought you were town earlier so you know it kind of leaves a funny aftertaste to me.

post is against volpe.

Hahahaha

Okay, let's just lynch Volpe. I just realized something extremely funny concerning this whole thing. I don't really doubt this anymore lmao.

Volpe I'm not sure what you were thinking but you probably didn't make the smartest set of moves here concerning the defense you chose.

post is against volpe.

Volpe I'm not sure what you were thinking but you probably didn't make the smartest set of moves here concerning the defense you chose.

I'm not being smart either, I'm town, I'm just really sure that FL should die here, right now.

Well since you're acting dumb I'll just make sure everyone knows what I'm talking about.

Me and Volpe are sharing a PT together, with a third person. In that thread he suggested the idea that he intentionally shook up his meta in order to beat "meta players" present in the event. So your whole defense about "how I should recognize your scumgame" is completely bullshit.

Secondly, in that thread, you actually do display emotional manipulation. To summarize the whole thing Volpe plays the "I don't want to play this game anymore" card in the thread after the discussion that ensued there, which I will not talk about. You did this very same thing in C9++, shall I note, although again I want to trust the words you said back then about that thing not being alignment indicative, but this is what you stated as defense.

It's probably not smart to use a defense that can be disproven by your own words. You talk a bit too much.

post is against volpe.

out of those spoilered posts, two of them were not against volpe, and one of them was against fl—although that same post was against volpe too—so yes, you only bashed volpe during it. as for nothing of substance, i currently don't have the mental energy to sit down and argue through that atm. ill gladly argue it some other day, but not today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at my HitAlt quote in my sig.

People forget that I’m actually a much stronger town player than I am a scum player, because I fake troll a lot in early games of town because I’m one of the highest priority night kills when I don’t.

If I’m left alive as town end game, I will solve a game.

Also, everytime I play up against a so-called scum mastermind, they choke playing against me.

Skitter has to kill me as soon as I replaced in without me having even doing anything earlier this year.

[Volpe14]

It had quite a lot of frustation on it but I really I'm coming to terms with one of FL/nomnom just being actual scum.

[chennisden]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

[Flavor Leaf]

And for the most part, any game that people say I did lol bad as town in...I win essentially every single one of those games

[Volpe14]

People forget that I’m actually a much stronger town player than I am a scum player

blah blah blah

don't forget to choose between me and FL

Maybe and just maybe Nomnom

Thank you guys.

[Flavor Leaf]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

[Volpe14]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

I'm getting a lot more of this 1v1 than what I thought I would get

[chennisden]

I also doubt that FL/Volpe engages in scum theater this way, so one of you are town at least