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[Volpe14]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

"Volpe is so scummy lol he's scum reading people that scum read him"

LOL

[davesaz]

You don’t like the push but you’re on board...?

No, what I said was not on board. Not joining along with, which carries no direct connotation of agreeing with or not agreeing with. I guess it does carry a vague kinda "wtf is that" feel. And that post was

strictly

about the page containing the post I quoted the reads list from.

I have a very strong mistrust of that Elements town read, which seems completely unwarranted especially given the ratio of Elements posting of real content to a dozen others. That may or may not result in an independent scumread there regardless of what your thing yields.

Pedit: you can turn off the self promotional subtext. I'd like to be able to continue enjoying the game, please.

[Vex Vience]

Nomnom is fairly scummy to be honest but first I want FL

Her one-sided bashing is something she does quite often as scum actually.

In Colors she kept bashing omochan and in one of her first scum games she kept bashing the easy target Baezu.

She also likes to mislynch so FL/Nomnom makes sense here by the way

to piggyback off of this, because i feel like it's worth bringing up: one of my teammates said that they don't think nom busses, so if volpe is town, and fl is scum, nom is probably scum too.

[nomnomnom]

I thought about FL's side of the argument. The thing with FL is that I agree with statements he makes but the double edge of what he says is that you can see him trying to create a situation where he can dominate the gamestate which always worries me, and I've come to learn that agreeing with people doesn't mean they're necessarily town with you either.

I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.

For example this quote is setting up a scenario where scum!FL has a lot of targets to bounce on in a world where he's scum and you're town. There is bound to be someone that defends you ultimately. This is the kind of statement that always makes me worried of FL. I don't always state it because it would clog up the exploration of your slot, which is extremely important to me considering that I know the more the game goes on, the more volatile you get emotionally, and I will never get anything out of you in that state, regardless of your alignment. Hope that makes sense.

[davesaz]

I'm writing on a keyboard with 10 fingers and you people are still posting faster.

[Volpe14]

/shrug

There's nothing impeding you guys to talk about other things, I'm just pretty ok with at least one of nomnom/FL being scum and I'm ok with dying today.

[chennisden]

Btw I'm around 50% sure that FL/Volpe is a dumb TvT spat

At least 50%

[Flavor Leaf]

This 1v1 is kind of unproductive imo

Yeah, Volpe stalled it with his lolbadtunnel move. Idk if it’s a town move or a scum move.

GIF is kinda scummy, though, past few pages.

"Volpe is so scummy lol he's scum reading people that scum read him"

LOL

I town read that, dude, this is why you’re being pointless. It was just a statement

[Volpe14]

to piggyback off of this, because i feel like it's worth bringing up: one of my teammates said that they don't think nom busses, so if volpe is town, and fl is scum, nom is probably scum too.

Exactly.

I have only seen scum!nomnom do one-sided bashing too in her scum read so I think that also checks out to how she's playing here.

I really think FL/Nomnom turned out oddly reasonable.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nom - town me dominates games all over the place

[Vex Vience]

I thought about FL's side of the argument. The thing with FL is that I agree with statements he makes but the double edge of what he says is that you can see him trying to create a situation where he can dominate the gamestate which always worries me, and I've come to learn that agreeing with people doesn't mean they're necessarily town with you either.

I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.

For example this quote is setting up a scenario where scum!FL has a lot of targets to bounce on in a world where he's scum and you're town. There is bound to be someone that defends you ultimately. This is the kind of statement that always makes me worried of FL. I don't always state it because it would clog up the exploration of your slot, which is extremely important to me considering that I know the more the game goes on, the more volatile you get emotionally, and I will never get anything out of you in that state, regardless of your alignment. Hope that makes sense.

can you please simplify this for me? i currently have a bad headache and trying to piece together what you mean hurts.

I'm writing on a keyboard with 10 fingers and you people are still posting faster.

i mean, so am i... just means you need to type faster.

[chennisden]

Also Volpe it doesn't help when you act resigned/tunnel/misrepresent stuff

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I’ve been paired up like this with Nomnom when they were scum and I town.

That was one of the games I solved in my 3 of 5 scum pool. Town didn’t listen to me and lost

[Volpe14]

Man I really hate turning out to this mocking/condescing personality but I'm better off at it than trying to be level-headed here.

It just doesn't work nicely for me.

[davesaz]

Hmm, I think I mostly finished? my very early reads and I'm looking at:

[Volpe]
[Elements]
[GiF, Fark?, Espresso]
[everyone else] - null or nullscum

What has Elements done to deserve being highest town read?

This is a pretty significant question.

[Volpe14]

Also Volpe it doesn't help when you act resigned/tunnel/misrepresent stuff

I...honestly am not tunneling anymore.

In the beginning I was a fair bit, but really, it's just coming to me that a PoE of FL/Nomnom is pretty good here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man I really hate turning out to this mocking/condescing personality but I'm better off at it than trying to be level-headed here.

It just doesn't work nicely for me.

If you’re town, it’s really bad too, because I’m town, so if you were softing vengeful earlier like a weezy, we lose 2 town here, potentially town leaders.

I’ll call your bluff on it if you’d like to die, but I’m not scum here.

[nomnomnom]

@Nom - town me dominates games all over the place

Oh, I know. There's a reason why I am not using this to point a metaphorical gun to your forehead, but it's worth pointing out because it is something you do, consciously or not.
It just seems like you create a roadmap that a scum could easily follow, even if you aren't scum, because honestly to me I could read your post and tell myself "yeah I would have this kind of roadmap as scum".

I thought about FL's side of the argument. The thing with FL is that I agree with statements he makes but the double edge of what he says is that you can see him trying to create a situation where he can dominate the gamestate which always worries me, and I've come to learn that agreeing with people doesn't mean they're necessarily town with you either.

I feel scum are more likely to defend townVolpe in this scenario, so if Volpe is town, dave is probably lock scum.

For example this quote is setting up a scenario where scum!FL has a lot of targets to bounce on in a world where he's scum and you're town. There is bound to be someone that defends you ultimately. This is the kind of statement that always makes me worried of FL. I don't always state it because it would clog up the exploration of your slot, which is extremely important to me considering that I know the more the game goes on, the more volatile you get emotionally, and I will never get anything out of you in that state, regardless of your alignment. Hope that makes sense.

can you please simplify this for me? i currently have a bad headache and trying to piece together what you mean hurts.

Sure. It just means that FL writes a lot of things that scum would come up with in terms of gameplan. "Yeah, first I'm going to mislynch this sod, then anyone that defended him is also in the mislynch pool, and then...". It just reads like that to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also Volpe it doesn't help when you act resigned/tunnel/misrepresent stuff

I...honestly am not tunneling anymore.

In the beginning I was a fair bit, but really, it's just coming to me that a PoE of FL/Nomnom is pretty good here.

So the 2 voting you. Makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not trying to mislynch Sod Volpe, though, Nomnom.

[Volpe14]

Hmm, I think I mostly finished? my very early reads and I'm looking at:

[Volpe]
[Elements]
[GiF, Fark?, Espresso]
[everyone else] - null or nullscum

What has Elements done to deserve being highest town read?

This is a pretty significant question.

Elements ISO:

VOTE: dave

someone give me a number

no one has given me a number yet
p-edit: what timing

VOTE: volpe

It does look generic and nonsensical, but that's exactly why I think it's kinda positive. Elements is the kind of scum player that would try to look like he's doing stuff, solving the game, etc. However since he's lynched quite a lot, I thought about the possibility of him being scum and not wanting to spill the beans. However, that vote on me really doesn't make sense in that case in my opinion.

In that moment, not even you had expressed any kind of doubt on me and I had the most town leans/positive feedback in-thread I think, therefore he's like, drawing attention to himself in a push he can hardly justify (and it was a naked vote, rather than him trying to give any sort of reason for it).

[nomnomnom]

Oh also, about the bashing, if you want the true version, I also do this often as town even though I've tried to calm it down because it created a lot of sour games with really bad mood. You can check Guns and Roses II to see the result of me bashing a slot over and over. It's not a quality unique to my scumgames, if you want to use that as an argument, so you get the whole picture.

I'd like to think I got better about it though.

[Volpe14]

I’ll call your bluff on it if you’d like to die, but I’m not scum here.

It's no bluff.

I think you're just scum but trying to explain it in a level headed way to people is less effective than just actually keep high-lightining it.

I'm also no town leader or whatever so feel free to burn me with fire or something.

[Volpe14]

I'd like to think I got better about it though.

If you're town you didn't but ok.

I don't think you're town anyway and blah blah blah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fine, then venge me. That will be your bad play, not mine