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[Almost50]

Stopping @EoP 14

I still want to know if I know Farkan at all (I don;'t even think I have a finished game with any of his team members).

So far I have no confident reads, but -gun to my head- I'd say FL is town (for not showing malicious/manipulative behaviour so far).
I also don't think GIF posts that much is he was scum (for fear of slipping, which he is bound to if he was Scum).

[Farkran]

17 pages of stuff overnight

Catching up begins

[Farkran]

I apologize in advance for what may be a series of catching up multiposts

[Farkran]

wall

This stuff is... half based on stuff i disagree with, half sounds like misrep, but the effort invested and the POV described may be consistent. I could reconsider chennis if i find more good stuff during the catchup, although the comment on espresso and the push against me are still bad and i don't understand why chennis decided to single out two players to produce such content - i have been attention whoring as usual, which can explain it, but there's plenty more to talk both about me and about other people before doing that kind of wallcase so early in the game. It's hypocritical to shade me for superficiality and producing early reads when that push is basically the exact same thing except worse in content but better in form. You know, like a shitty book with a nice cover.

Moving on for now, might get back at this later

[Farkran]

I don’t know anything about that game, so that doesn’t mean anything to me.

The timing of your Chennis push was perfect to gain support as a town leader, and dominate the rest of the game.

VOTE: Volpe

...town leadership is something very different than what volpe is doing. If volpe had to lead or sheep someone it probably wouldn't be me - i am generally unpleasant when playing, and i can hardly muster enough influence to be valuable as an asset to a town leader. I don't see espresso being a valuable asset either in the current gamestate. Don't know elements enough to say, but all in all i wouldn't describe volpe as trying to lead town.

[Farkran]

It’s Page 14, I think it’s incredibly valuable discussion. Much more than running around in circles with Fakran and Chennis.

I feel right now that you are scum who doesn’t like, or even think there is, a case on them, and granted, I very much realize I need more, and I could be wrong. Again, it’s page 14, but by no means is that not an avenue that I want to just ignore.

Out of all FL posts around that topic, this looks the most scummy. Hard-implies that me and chennis are TvT before there are enough elements to say it is - this is only scum (not scummy, scum) if chennis is also scum though, it makes no sense for scum!FL to try to stop that wagon if chennis is town.

[DeasVail]

Espresso hasn't made any new posts between these - did you reread and change your mind or is Espresso's iso worse than the sum of its parts in your opinion?

My response to you was only considering posts prior to the post you made.

[Farkran]

You’re talking like I have more than one argument.

The only thing I’m pushing you for is the sheer timing of the Chennis wagon, and now it’s a little because of the defensive nature of it.

Actually, if you read past events that lead into this development, why are you calling out volpe but not espresso for doing a similar thing on Anka? I don't scumread either for that reason, but if you are, you should be consistent about it or explain where are the differences

[Flavor Leaf]

Simple. I didn’t remember EP doing it on Ank.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it was different timing. I don’t feel Ankamius ever had the steam that Chennis had, and if they did, well, I didn’t naturally feel it

[Farkran]

Eh, yeah, going on reading the volpe vs FL argument is pointless. It's not even AI, you are just discussing playstyles which are subjective by definition and therefore not arguable in a relevant fashion. I am somewhat inclined to think it as TvT until we see a flip though

pedit: ankamius was a more populated wagon but with weaker basis, i'll grant you that. But volpe was 2nd on chennis out of 9 people required for a lynch, i wouldn't call that "steamy" enough yet to call volpe opportunistic for joining it

[Farkran]

I think I've been somewhat transparently trying not to dominate the game by not talking about my reads to not bias other people input on them/hurt general game development.

If I wanted to be town leader I would have not given up in leading discussions and would keep pushing Vex or Fark even if it would bias other people into their reads on those slots

I did the opposite of that.

These two posts are an immense redflag. To me it feels like you read FL's accusations and you decided to argue the one point a scum would argue about.
So much of a red flag I'm going to change my read on your slot.
VOTE: Volpe

Uhm... i'm pretty sure that was one of the main arguments for FL to scumread volpe, so it's fair for the latter to defend about it and pointing out it's a misrep?

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, yeah, going on reading the volpe vs FL argument is pointless. It's not even AI, you are just discussing playstyles which are subjective by definition and therefore not arguable in a relevant fashion. I am somewhat inclined to think it as TvT until we see a flip though

pedit: ankamius was a more populated wagon but with weaker basis, i'll grant you that. But volpe was 2nd on chennis out of 9 people required for a lynch, i wouldn't call that "steamy" enough yet to call volpe opportunistic for joining it

Disagree. I was the one who was pushing Chennis.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler, Farkran, Nom ended up voting me, and now it’s more of a Volpe vs Ankamius thing with GIF behind Volpe, and Nom and I behind Ank, but I’m thinking Nom could be scum.

[Farkran]

Would you be willing to join Chennis wagon for now?

I'm indecisive about Chennis alignment and I think that would help me out

This is also bad Volpe

No it isn't

I honestly think {Farkran Volpe} has a chance of being scum together

Talk about superficiality... eh, if something_smart was here he would probably townread you out of it. SS deserves much more respect from me after our last game together, i actually want to ask his opinion about you. Who's in team with SS?

PEDIT @FL

1. You only pushed chennis after his wallcase on me and i started commenting on it, if i recall correct. True that you cast FOS on chennis, but even counting that volpe would only be 3rd in line, still not enough to call it steamy and a valid opportunistic move
2. Sounds interesting, i'll try to make my catchup faster

[Farkran]

...oh, FL is in team with SS. Makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s a thing I do, I can pick on the people, but once other people do, Imma be all over that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m past that with Volpe.

People need to stop hanging onto the little stuff

[Farkran]

I don't really think so? If I didn't say anything Farkran is the type of slot that would've gone for a long time unnoticed and not really thought about, which would've been bad regardless of his alignment.

LOL

Ok, chennis is probably town UNVOTE:

Serious stuff: you need to read any of my games. Literally any one of my games on this site.

[DeasVail]

ugh finally finished reading everything

You ain't never seen a fire like the one I'm gon' cause

Spoiler:

Okay that probably makes it sound like I'm going to be much more exciting than I actually will be.

I think FL is town
I think Volpe is town
I think GiF is town

I even think nomnomnom could be town (less sure of that though)

I still can't really feel Espresso's halo

Dr. Easy Bake
chennisden
Volxen
Almost50

are also concerning to me either based on their posts or a lack of posts indicating town to me. There is definitely post-count bias here but whatever.

[Ankamius]

Deas

what do you think the most important part of the game so far to read through is?

[Ankamius]

I'm looking for like a rough page or so

[Farkran]

Actually, there's also a big difference between not liking and not being on board. I had something like 4 pages to read and another one got posted while I wrote my 2nd post.
I'm gonna take my wife to get ice cream. Hopefully FL has pulled his head out his ass with respect to me before I'm back.

pedit: and another half page writing this one

I just kinda think you’re scum here, tbh. I can’t really explain it yet, but yeah. I do expect you to play in a way to balance my read on you if you are scum, so

You don’t like the push but you’re on board...?

Who’s on PenguinPower’s team? I need him here. You know how many games I went 3 out of 5 of these guys are scum. Idk which 3. And was correct? Idk the relevancy of that, but it popped into my head here.

Oh, right, because people were like, nope don’t like that FL, you’re not right. And i was right.

Uhm... just want to place this in my ISO for the sake of not forgetting it

PEDIT - i like DV's list

[DeasVail]

Deas

what do you think the most important part of the game so far to read through is?

uhh I'll see what I can dig up

[DeasVail]

Page 24-25 was where I came to an understanding of the FL/Volpe/Nom/GiF situation that I felt comfortable with.