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[GuyInFreezer]

Would you believe me if I say I'm actually moderating my post count a lot?

[Volpe14]

It's our second day and I'm already done with this game to be fair.

I already have many regrets regardless of how this turns out.

Anyway in a holistic sense I think voting nomnom here before sorting FL/Ank might be kind of optimal.

[Volpe14]

If I take a step back it's not impossible that FL/Ank are just town although nomnom is the one I doubt the most about being town at all, but like, I'm not seeing scum elsewhere

There's a lack of posting from some players here though but that doesn't really change the whole picture if the entire scum team isn't the lurkers.

[Farkran]

Why, is it the playerlist that gave you the conclusion that something would happen?

well to be honest I expected someone at some point to comment on the whole hood fiasco and nobody did. In my mind I assumed that scums would gladly avoid the whole discussion unless if they could use that as a sort of accusation point but that didn't happen either. Maybe I was just mistaken about how town would approach this whole thing but the fact nobody gave an analysis on it is quite perplexing to me.

Can you say, in detail, what was going on in your neighborhood that we DON'T KNOW yet in the main thread, to help us elaborate your reads? Because honestly i can't see volpe as scum rn, i can't see GIF as scum either, if there had to be scum in your nb it would be you now and i'm sure you would disagree, so... what's exactly wrong with that? I mean, this post seems to imply that there IS something wrong going on in your neighborhood but i can't see it.

[nomnomnom]

Why, is it the playerlist that gave you the conclusion that something would happen?

well to be honest I expected someone at some point to comment on the whole hood fiasco and nobody did. In my mind I assumed that scums would gladly avoid the whole discussion unless if they could use that as a sort of accusation point but that didn't happen either. Maybe I was just mistaken about how town would approach this whole thing but the fact nobody gave an analysis on it is quite perplexing to me.

Can you say, in detail, what was going on in your neighborhood that we DON'T KNOW yet in the main thread, to help us elaborate your reads? Because honestly i can't see volpe as scum rn, i can't see GIF as scum either, if there had to be scum in your nb it would be you now and i'm sure you would disagree, so... what's exactly wrong with that? I mean, this post seems to imply that there IS something wrong going on in your neighborhood but i can't see it.

You misread what I said.

What I said is that I expected someone to make comments about GIF outing himself as the third person in our neighborhood but nobody did.
I frankly don't want to elaborate about what's in the neighborhood because it would be leaking even more information than necessary and if it's the case than the 3 of us are town in this hood then leaking more is disastrous.

There's a reason why I've been focusing on trying to sort GIF and Volpe as main objective, you know.

[Volpe14]

Hmm...

[Volpe, GiF, Fark] - Town
[Elems, Espresso] - Likely town
[Chennis, Dave] - nulltown
[A50, kuribo, DeasVail, Gamma, MariaR, Volxen, Dr EB] - null
[Ank, Flavor] - nullscum
[nomnom] - likely scum

p-edit: there's nothing more to leak about our hood to be fair. It's really everything in the open.

[nomnomnom]

Well there is one or two things that are hidden and it probably should stay that way.

Speaking of which you probably really should rethink your position about the lynch Volpe. Just think it through one second and ask yourself if you really want to see me flip town tonight.

[Volpe14]

I could think about reconsidering that if you had a cuter anime avatar.

[nomnomnom]

Well I guess I'm getting lynched today huh

[Farkran]

I'm fully caught up.

So here's where i am at:

- I townread

davesaz

for trying to sort FL vs volpe in an obvtown fashion
...
- I am slightly concerned about

Maria

for disappearing after that espresso read. Need more content from there, it looks like a veteran slot, reminds me of Micc. Internal consistency and good logic are more NAI here than elsewhere. Inclined to townlean her though.
...
- Scumleaning

Gammagooey

for his readlist and timing. Need more content though.

Hey Fark, can you try to describe what about dave's posts on volpe & FL are obvtown to you? I agree that volpe's read on Elements was a generally good thing for dave to look into, but the tone of dave's posts around there feels more commentaryish to me than investigative to me personally, and I think that type of content can pretty easily come from scum as well.

I also think I get where you could be coming from in regards to Maria and I not being around at particular points in the game, but I want you to think about that for a second for me. Do you think it's particularly likely that either of us are limiting our posting specifically in a way that scum are likely to do this early?

For myself I can promise you that I wouldn't want to deal with the volpe/FL clusterfuck before bed (and in fact still would prefer not to deal with it because I think a lot of FL's posts are likely posting for the sake of his own amusement/ego in that big ol' section and I doubt I'll be able to interpret anything useful out of his posts there) as either alignment, and people 'disappearing' (which I'm taking to mean posting once or twice in a discussion and then bailing) in general in a game this big is a lot more likely to be 'the person had real life shit they wanted/needed to do' or just didn't feel like dealing with the game at the time than scum-motivated hiding from the thread.

WRT Dave: post 538 and 538 strongly look coming from a town mindset trying to sort out the 1v1 of the two guys involved. Not immediately taking any hard stance and pointing out fallacies in both premises almost never comes from scum, which imo would basically try to determine who's on the losing wagon and side with the winning part, or completely stay out of it for towncred.

WRT Maria: it's not just about limiting post quantity, but what you choose to post when actually posting. Going out of your way to say something about a specific player is relevantly AI. I don't know how at this point in time - it might be town!maria trying to put weight on the interactions engine, or scum!maria trying to look busy with the (supposedly) little time she has. The read is not strong though, as i said, i'd like a lot more content coming from there.

WRT you: same as above, you went out of your way and made a specific tier about me being scum, without having any context to base your read on. You can't expect to form hard reads like that and not getting asked to back them up. I mean, your push would be understandable in a vacuum -as i said, i've seen this movie so many times now- but the timing and confidence levels do not feel right. Your analysis of me is very similar to what chennis said and has the same information fallacy (you should really read one of my games. Any game. And not even the full game, take any random ~10 posts in my ISO to see what i mean) - incidentally, chennis was also your highest townread. Same as i said about dave, a town mindset would try to sort the 1v1 before taking super hard stances about players involved. Scum would pocket one side and sink the other, which is exactly what you did there.

You can talk to me about why this post is wrong, if you think it is. I'd like to hear more from you and your other reads, mainly how you are townreading chennis so hard and why FL does not make an appearance in your readlist despite being one of the most active influences here

[Farkran]

Why, is it the playerlist that gave you the conclusion that something would happen?

well to be honest I expected someone at some point to comment on the whole hood fiasco and nobody did. In my mind I assumed that scums would gladly avoid the whole discussion unless if they could use that as a sort of accusation point but that didn't happen either. Maybe I was just mistaken about how town would approach this whole thing but the fact nobody gave an analysis on it is quite perplexing to me.

Can you say, in detail, what was going on in your neighborhood that we DON'T KNOW yet in the main thread, to help us elaborate your reads? Because honestly i can't see volpe as scum rn, i can't see GIF as scum either, if there had to be scum in your nb it would be you now and i'm sure you would disagree, so... what's exactly wrong with that? I mean, this post seems to imply that there IS something wrong going on in your neighborhood but i can't see it.

You misread what I said.

What I said is that I expected someone to make comments about GIF outing himself as the third person in our neighborhood but nobody did.
I frankly don't want to elaborate about what's in the neighborhood because it would be leaking even more information than necessary and if it's the case than the 3 of us are town in this hood then leaking more is disastrous.

There's a reason why I've been focusing on trying to sort GIF and Volpe as main objective, you know.

Ok then, but... from your POV, why would anyone call out GIF for being dumb? It's not scummy, it's just dumb as either alignment, and not talking about it would be the better choice. Scum!GIF would out his neighborhood in the scum PT, not in the main thread.

[Volpe14]

Well I guess I'm getting lynched today huh

I wouldn't say that to be fair especially if you're scum.

For example, I think that if you gave around 24 hours to the thread, let everyone else check in, and come up with "I need to reorganize my reads", pretend to re:read and begin pushing in somewhere between Gamma or something you could make a pretty good push/wagon to be fair.

You're actually just really sitting here in defeatism instead of trying to reassess where your head is at the game currently, which I honestly think it's a trait of cornered mafia but ok. I've seen...sometimes that happens to town.

You tried bringing up GiF or etc but when it didn't get heat you dropped it like you dropped your push on me when it started backfiring. You're at this exact moment waiting to see responses on GiF before starting to get some track on it. It's...very political in a not positive way.

[Volpe14]

You first had an easy town read on me but dropped it in a hat when I began to get heat, and really tried to rile up me, but when it started to go off the trail you just began to drop it again.

Right now you're still waiting for support to do anything about GiF too.

I'm more collected now and I'll be slightly shocked if you don't flip just red here.

[nomnomnom]

Ok then, but... from your POV, why would anyone call out GIF for being dumb? It's not scummy, it's just dumb as either alignment, and not talking about it would be the better choice. Scum!GIF would out his neighborhood in the scum PT, not in the main thread.

I never said I expected a specific reaction just a reaction of any kind which didn't happen

[nomnomnom]

You first had an easy town read on me but dropped it in a hat when I began to get heat, and really tried to rile up me, but when it started to go off the trail you just began to drop it again.

Right now you're still waiting for support to do anything about GiF too.

I'm more collected now and I'll be slightly shocked if you don't flip just red here.

?

I outright said that what GIF did could only come from town because of how stupid it was, what's this misrep? lol

Also the previous post about anime pictures was a joke.

[Volpe14]

Then if you think me/GiF are just town what exactly are you doing right now other than trying to make us pity you...?

Also like, why you think it's important whatsoever for us to comment more about the hood when everyone is already town reading GiF and to a lesser extent me?

[nomnomnom]

Then if you think me/GiF are just town what exactly are you doing right now other than trying to make us pity you...?

It's awkward having someone read all your posts literally lol

Also it's a gamestate that's happening I'd expect any type of comment from every single gamestate that's just normal.

[Volpe14]

You want to "Let the remaining things about the hood" stay alone, but at the same time you're asking "why there isn't more discussion about the hood?" in thread, while you apparently already have your hood situation solved so not sure why that would still be the top thing in your mind?

I understand having the hood in the back of your mind yet but bringing attention to it while trying to leave it alone doesn't add up, neither does the fact you've mostly concluded your opinions on it but hasn't moved to anything else?

[chennisden]

Well I guess I'm getting lynched today huh

I wouldn't say that to be fair especially if you're scum.

For example, I think that if you gave around 24 hours to the thread, let everyone else check in, and come up with "I need to reorganize my reads", pretend to re:read and begin pushing in somewhere between Gamma or something you could make a pretty good push/wagon to be fair.

You're actually just really sitting here in defeatism instead of trying to reassess where your head is at the game currently, which I honestly think it's a trait of cornered mafia but ok. I've seen...sometimes that happens to town.

You tried bringing up GiF or etc but when it didn't get heat you dropped it like you dropped your push on me when it started backfiring. You're at this exact moment waiting to see responses on GiF before starting to get some track on it. It's...very political in a not positive way.

You first had an easy town read on me but dropped it in a hat when I began to get heat, and really tried to rile up me, but when it started to go off the trail you just began to drop it again.

Right now you're still waiting for support to do anything about GiF too.

I'm more collected now and I'll be slightly shocked if you don't flip just red here.

I agree with this

[chennisden]

If there's scum in the Volpe/FL/Nom pile it's probably nom

[nomnomnom]

You want to "Let the remaining things about the hood" stay alone, but at the same time you're asking "why there isn't more discussion about the hood?" in thread, while you apparently already have your hood situation solved so not sure why that would still be the top thing in your mind?

I understand having the hood in the back of your mind yet but bringing attention to it while trying to leave it alone doesn't add up, neither does the fact you've mostly concluded your opinions on it but hasn't moved to anything else?

That's probably because those discussions allow me to sort other people that haven't said anything. Not everything is about you.

[nomnomnom]

The problem is that our hood is now highlighted in the worst way possible. What I wanted is that despite the disaster that GIF created I wanted to see what other people would say to sort them, but you made it all about us again so it just creates a gamestate where you make sure where one of us gets 100% lynched which favors scum in the end.

It's really bad.

[Ankamius]

am I reading the same game as you all?

[Farkran]

I'm starting to buy scum!nom too. I'll have my team do a reality check on his ISO, i feel too much involved with FL to make proper judgement

[Ankamius]

I don't see it at all so I'm going to bug my team about it too!