Newbie 1976 - Game Over

[Ph0enix]

All SEs are Town
Phoenix is town
GBJ and Non are scum
Rest is null

Could you elaborate?

If GBJ is scum I think Map is partner

Same question.

[Kanna]

Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?

Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.

Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?

All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.

I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation

[Kanna]

Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting

[Kanna]

Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.

[Saladman27]

All SEs are Town
Phoenix is town
GBJ and Non are scum
Rest is null

Could you elaborate?

Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.

[Ph0enix]

Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?

Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.

Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?

All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.

I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation

So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?

[Ph0enix]

Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting

Fair enough. Define "busser", though, I'm not familiar with that term.

Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.

Fair as well.

Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.

Could you explain further about Non? Also, are Salad and Naerys scumreads or?

[Kanna]

Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?

Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.

Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?

All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.

I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation

So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?

No? I just disagree with you saying “GBJ is just scummy because he doesn’t give reasons.” I think GBJ’s actions/motivation is scummy

[Ph0enix]

Actually, can I ask why people individually find GBJ scummy?

Providing no reasoning for basically anything he's said so far:

- the opening vote on Norway
- saying Norway is PR/scum
- Readslist #1
- the vote on Naerys
- Readslist #2

I like Naerys' last post. Keep them coming. Currently scumreading Salad, GBJ and Non. Guys, that's 3 people on D1, doesn't anyone want to address my concerns so that I can narrow it down :/

Wolf's pressure vote on Jackson earlier I still don't like, but at least he has contributed with his other posts; Non's vote to put Jackson at L-1, in combination with the lack of reasoning behind his posts, I particularly don't like.

Do you find him just not providing reasoning scummy and not the actual actions?

All of the above is justified if there's a reason for it. So the former.

I sort of disagree because I think scum could easily give reasons for their actions as appeasement. I think we should looking at actions themselves and if they have scum motivation

So you are okay with GBJ's actions so far?

No? I just disagree with you saying “GBJ is just scummy because he doesn’t give reasons.” I think GBJ’s actions/motivation is scummy

I see. I mean, his lack of posts obviously concerns me as well, but this is what stood out the most.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I NEED SCUMFLIPS TO APPEASE MY INCREASING ANGER!

[Kanna]

Also about Map;
>defended GBJ + from previous game, I have reason to believe he’s not a busser
> early on, I felt he was more aggressive but his tone has changed
> generally been coasting

Fair enough. Define "busser", though, I'm not familiar with that term.

Norway is obvtown, Datisi is doing townie things plus has more than double posts than me.
You are doing great examinations, (especially of me)
GBJ is the Lynch today. Non I already explained.
Rest is null cause I'm too lazy to read them since it was supposed to be a shotgun read list.

Fair as well.

Readlist goes;

<Norway>
<Phoenix, Non, Datisi>
<Salad, Naerys>
<GBJ, Map Wolf>

Mostly with emphasis on Norway; I think he’s quite obvtown. Will explain any placements if anyone asks.

Could you explain further about Non? Also, are Salad and Naerys scumreads or?

(omg I got asked a theory question) Bussing is when scum partners distance from each other by shading/SRing/voting so it looks better when one of them flip scum. It’s kind of dangerous though because you’re pushing against your wincon

And I did sort of explain before about Non but his play here is very similar to a lot of his games + the last game I
played with him. I don’t see any differences that make me really think he’s scum. Also they’re low TRs. I mostly SR GBJ/Map

[Kanna]

^*in last game I played with Non, he was town

[NorwegianboyEE]

And I did sort of explain before about Non but his play here is very similar to a lot of his games + the last game I
played with him. I don’t see any differences that make me really think he’s scum. Also they’re low TRs. I mostly SR GBJ/Map

It's a interesting pet theory, but i'm pretty sure Non Imh is a more likely GBJ partner.
As you explained, if GBJ/Map is the team then Map has been bussing his own partner. And that is risky play, especially for a game with only 2 mafia and 2 power roles potentially outing him sooner or later, even if he does get some towncreds for it. It's not a likely pair, hence not worth consideration unless we reach all the way to LYLO and still haven't found GBJ's teammate somehow.

[Kanna]

No, Map hasn’t voted GBJ apart from RVS where it was clear it wasn’t serious. Why do you think it’s Non?

[Non lmh]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh? or am I being paranoid and reading subtext wrong again..
I'm genuinely asking btw

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah, you're right Kanna. Sorry i didn't check Map's ISO in a while and made a noob mistake. Yeah he did argue against GBJ pretty much all day.
Anyway, why don't we check his alignment right now. Map Wolf, the table is clear for you to hammer GBJ. Do it.

[Datisi]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh? or am I being paranoid and reading subtext wrong again..
I'm genuinely asking btw

err... we're not? why do you say that?

also can you answer questions asked of you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming GBJ flips green, we're all in agreement that Datisi is scum, yeh?

No. How about you actually explain why you think this.

[Non lmh]

you both, Norway and Kanna won't go at him directly, hence all my dancing.
I'm betting on GBJ being town this time around because Datisi is gunning for him, so yeh, whatever
I'mma be pissed if GBJ ain't town
and I ain't even that cryptic, just weird, maybe

[NorwegianboyEE]

Map wolf might be open wolf.

[Datisi]

do you think Non is Town *because* you think I'm scum pushing a mislynch, or do you think I'm scum *because* you read Non as Town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

[Datisi]

Not you, Non.
I'm basically asking what came first.

a) Non TR'ed GBJ, and because of that thinks I am scum pushing a mislynch.
b) Non SR'ed me, and because of that thinks GBJ is Town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh did you say Non instead of GBJ by mistake in post 420? Ok.

[Datisi]

oof i did my bad, yes that's supposed to say GBJ

also 420 lol