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[Dr Easy Bake]

Wow, not gonna go through 21 pages, whats going on?

[Volpe14]

If there is a vigging hood, which probably exists, consider vigging Dr Easy for everyone sanity because I think every other slot will sooner or later put some content

Then yeah.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Wow dude, I was busy. I'm here from now on. Where's the hostility coming from?
I'm gonna be present as I can in this game. It's Team Mafia, I gotta step shit up.
Even a Diamond can be polished.
Doesn't change the fact that I am not going to read what's been said since I was gone because it's D1.
If you wanna tell me the important shit, or link it. Feel free.

[Gammagooey]

Wow, not gonna go through 21 pages, whats going on?

pages 16-28 or so are 60% or more volpe & flavor leaf having a bitchfest with each other

read the rest though please - chennis had a case on farkran before that happened that's worth commenting on, and there are starting to be more or less readable people in the game.

[Farkran]

seems ok I guess

"ok" as in you are reading that as town, or you have nothing relevant to highlight in his ISO? Doesn't look like he's part of your green block, that's why i wanted to talk more about him

[Gammagooey]

WRT Maria: it's not just about limiting post quantity, but what you choose to post when actually posting. Going out of your way to say something about a specific player is relevantly AI. I don't know how at this point in time - it might be town!maria trying to put weight on the interactions engine, or scum!maria trying to look busy with the (supposedly) little time she has. The read is not strong though, as i said, i'd like a lot more content coming from there.

WRT you: same as above, you went out of your way and made a specific tier about me being scum, without having any context to base your read on. You can't expect to form hard reads like that and not getting asked to back them up. I mean, your push would be understandable in a vacuum -as i said, i've seen this movie so many times now- but the timing and confidence levels do not feel right. Your analysis of me is very similar to what chennis said and has the same information fallacy (you should really read one of my games. Any game. And not even the full game, take any random ~10 posts in my ISO to see what i mean) - incidentally, chennis was also your highest townread. Same as i said about dave, a town mindset would try to sort the 1v1 before taking super hard stances about players involved. Scum would pocket one side and sink the other, which is exactly what you did there.

With regards to the first point with Maria - I was talking about your concern with her for disappearing - I don't really get what you mean with her going out of her way to say something about a specific player (I'm assuming you mean her comments on espresso?). Like from my POV regardless of her alignment she thinks that espresso did something scummy and wants to call attention to it, either she's town and wants to call attention to it because it's likely to be coming from scum or she's scum and wants to point people at a player she thinks can be pushed as a mislynch (or as a distancing but that seems a lot less likely to me). I'm more asking you to re-evaluate *is someone 'disappearing'* actually alignment-relevant at all, esp. compared to what people actually do with their posts while they're around?

In regards to me - I don't hold my own reads in very high regard this early in the game, but at the time if I had to ignore the uber-lurkers and immediately shoot someone in the face to try to get scum it'd probably be either you or dave, and that seemed worth mentioning so people can at least attempt to read me (cause let's be real I haven't actually done much in-game aside from that and today's posts so far). I have read over some pieces of your previous games this morning and it does makes me feel a little better about you but I don't think it makes you likely town, just a little less likely to be scum than I thought before.

Chennis's push on you felt pretty genuine and well thought out and I agree with his reasoning on why you'd be likely scum here - I don't think scum make a case like that this early and push it that hard in what seemed like a genuine attempt to push and lynch scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wow, i go to sleep and tons of pages. I won’t be able to catch up until possibly tonight

[Ankamius]

seems ok I guess

"ok" as in you are reading that as town, or you have nothing relevant to highlight in his ISO? Doesn't look like he's part of your green block, that's why i wanted to talk more about him

nothing especially noteworthy mainly because idk how to approach sorting him really

[Farkran]

With regards to the first point with Maria - I was talking about your concern with her for disappearing - I don't really get what you mean with her going out of her way to say something about a specific player (I'm assuming you mean her comments on espresso?). Like from my POV regardless of her alignment she thinks that espresso did something scummy and wants to call attention to it, either she's town and wants to call attention to it because it's likely to be coming from scum or she's scum and wants to point people at a player she thinks can be pushed as a mislynch (or as a distancing but that seems a lot less likely to me). I'm more asking you to re-evaluate *is someone 'disappearing'* actually alignment-relevant at all, esp. compared to what people actually do with their posts while they're around?

Yes, i meant her comment about espresso. It's ok if she wants to say something on espresso - i don't even disagree with that particular post of maria - but there were other topics at hand while maria was present. My concern mostly refers to her specific selection of what to post, rather than the content of her posts. "disappearing" is perhaps too strong of a word in this context, but my point was to highlight a specific choice of content posted by maria. Just as chennis pointed out espresso for being an "easy lynch" without any basis, i don't think scum!maria would push that "easy lynch"... because it was no easy lynch at all. So, i am much more inclined to believe that would be town!maria highlighting something scummy, or scum!maria trying to imitate townplay without putting too much effort into it. Basically i'm just asking for more content from maria, this is not a strong read at all, and if anything it's more leaning towards town than scum.

In regards to me - I don't hold my own reads in very high regard this early in the game, but at the time if I had to ignore the uber-lurkers and immediately shoot someone in the face to try to get scum it'd probably be either you or dave, and that seemed worth mentioning so people can at least attempt to read me (cause let's be real I haven't actually done much in-game aside from that and today's posts so far). I have read over some pieces of your previous games this morning and it does makes me feel a little better about you but I don't think it makes you likely town, just a little less likely to be scum than I thought before.

Chennis's push on you felt pretty genuine and well thought out and I agree with his reasoning on why you'd be likely scum here - I don't think scum make a case like that this early and push it that hard in what seemed like a genuine attempt to push and lynch scum.

I am interpreting this as "i wanted to post a very weak readlist", then. Which is something i do and like, so it's all fine. What i didn't particularly like, and i still don't, is that you placed chennis and me at diametrically opposite sides just because you (claimed to) agree with chennis. Yours is not an independent read, and i saw no effort of producing any in that list. If me and chennis are TvT, and i now think we are, your list placements looked like a choice of pocketing vs sinking, which usually comes from a scum mindset.

You too may have redeeming qualities though, so can you talk to me about daves, with actual links to his scummy posts and your reasoning about why they are scummy?

[kuribo]

I wonder what the basement is on how little sleep you can get before you die

Anyway, I'm not hallucinating yet so

now I'm definitely convinced that the lot of us are reading entirely different games

isn't that the point of team mafia


oh shit, i need to read the games that my teammates are in


I already regret my life decisions.

oh look and now i get to read a pissing match

just NK me n1 so I can go to the dead PT and claim I was right about someone all along

[Ankamius]

I wonder what the basement is on how little sleep you can get before you die

There's a rare condition out there where your immune system destroys the mechanism that allows you to sleep

Iirc it takes like 6-12 months to go entirely insane

[kuribo]

i say pissing match but it's pretty boring for a pissing match


there's no violence, no threats of violence, no "you godless pigfucking inbred shitcan" etc

I play better when things are emotional because I read emotion so well.


Y'all too logical

[kuribo]

I wonder what the basement is on how little sleep you can get before you die

There's a rare condition out there where your immune system destroys the mechanism that allows you to sleep

Iirc it takes like 6-12 months to go entirely insane

legit one of my biggest fears in life is contracting fatal familial insomnia


There are only three families in the world that have the genetic marker for it, so i'm good on that front


unfortunately there's also a variant called fatal spontaneous insomnia

[kuribo]

[A50, kuribo, DeasVail, Gamma, MariaR, Volxen, Dr EB] - null

here's what I was looking for


How do you get DeasVail as null? just can't read him or?

It's not like he's inactive, he's given reads when he's been here and he looks fine to me

while we're at it, what are you basing Elems-town on?


who are you anyway

what are you doing here

how did you find me

[Volpe14]

How do you get DeasVail as null?

If someone pointed a gun to my head and said "DV reads or your life is over" I would say "town", because his posting feels light hearted and without an agenda/pretentious nature to it.

But I don't think he has enough to actually get on my positive read list compared to my other leans. To be fair, I think that my reads this game are some major bullshit and I'm pretending a lot of confidence that isn't there.

But like...I still think it's worth following it for now hmm

[kuribo]

To be fair, I think that my reads this game are some major bullshit and I'm pretending a lot of confidence that isn't there.

i relate to that on a spiritual level


have you tried screaming at people for a while? you can practice on me if you want

what you project is what you become

[Volpe14]

I'm not sure if I posted here or it's only in my PTs my reasons to town read people but I think I've more than "it's gut" to it, but DV read only really be just gut mostly.

I feel like my Fark read has a lot of gut/instinct to it though, but I don't know...I just don't know what else perspective to look at this from.

[kuribo]

it's still early enough that i'll allow gut reads

[Volpe14]

To be fair, I think that my reads this game are some major bullshit and I'm pretending a lot of confidence that isn't there.

i relate to that on a spiritual level


have you tried screaming at people for a while? you can practice on me if you want

what you project is what you become

I kind of like as a personal philosophy to be someone frank though

It's just really hard to play mafia without faking confidence.

I wonder if it would be ok to just nope it out right now and take back all my reads and active lurk happily

Like, I said this as scum before but this time it's for real, I think I'm REALLY bleeding town right now to a point I would need to insanely insanely motivated as scum to try to fake it which doesn't happen when I've recently played two long scum games.

[Volpe14]

it's still early enough that i'll allow gut reads

I kind of don't like to have reads I can easily go back on because I always end up in a spiral.

[Farkran]

@Kuribo do you have DeasVail as high town? Why? I don't disagree but i'd like to hear your POV on him

@Gammagoey i almost forgot i asked you for a FL read too, that's a quite important bit missing from your readlist.

[kuribo]

I kind of don't like to have reads I can easily go back on because I always end up in a spiral.

gut reads the second day of day 1 is one thing


if you're still going on gut by day 5, you're probably fucked because the playstate should be a lot clearer

I kind of like as a personal philosophy to be someone frank though

It's just really hard to play mafia without faking confidence.

I wonder if it would be ok to just nope it out right now and take back all my reads and active lurk happily

Like, I said this as scum before but this time it's for real, I think I'm REALLY bleeding town right now to a point I would need to insanely insanely motivated as scum to try to fake it which doesn't happen when I've recently played two long scum games.

- Without confidence in mafia, you're just another idiot quacking in the wind while everyone else throws their balls at one another

- Ah, the Katsuki method. That would be bold. Also, I'm sure he'll pop in a month from now to disagree with my taking a potshot at him for no good reason at all. So Kats, when you inevitably find this, I didn't really mean it, I just thought it was funny.

- I don't find you scummy, but I wasn't sure how anyone could come to some of those reads you had. I feel the motivation thing but in reverse. I hate rolling town.

@Kuribo do you have DeasVail as high town? Why? I don't disagree but i'd like to hear your POV on him

I wouldn't say high-town, but I lean town. His posts mostly look fine to me. I've played with DV over the years, although it's probably been at least seven years since the last time we played together so GOD KNOWS meta can shift over that amount of time. But if he's scum, I'm okay with him pocketing me and then taking me out to the woodshed to give me the Old Yeller treatment. I don't think he is though.

But seriously, if any of you get the chance. Woodshed. Me. Old Yeller. Pls.

[Volpe14]

I don't find you scummy, but I wasn't sure how anyone could come to some of those reads you had. I feel the motivation thing but in reverse. I hate rolling town.

I once town read a newbie because she said she was townreading someone for their avatar.

Let that sink in I guess(she was really town).

[kuribo]

I don't find you scummy, but I wasn't sure how anyone could come to some of those reads you had. I feel the motivation thing but in reverse. I hate rolling town.

I once town read a newbie because she said she was townreading someone for their avatar.

Let that sink in I guess(she was really town).

I once lynched scum by wagoning my strongest townread

I once wagoned someone because one of my other hydra heads had claimed mason with them for no reason, and the other person didn't deny it.

One time I wagoned someone because I dreamed they were scum. My dream was correct.

[Almost50]

Starting early today (Top of page 15). Let's hope I can be fully caught up in the next 3 hrs