Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[skitter30]

yeah but that's not how i'm reading it rn and that's not me calling you scum rn

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Skitter30

[skitter30]

rc you're really not good at reading me these days

[RadiantCowbells]

You think that my scumreads are town and if I successfully flip them scum and live you're just going to go after me for it.
I'm not doing this again. If you're scum I'm ripping the bandaid off, if you're town I'm not letting you lead another game off a cliff.

And it's really rich for you to talk about my record reading you.

[skitter30]

i mean ... you thought i was scum in the newbie we just played
thought i was scum in nomnom's open
thought i was scum in a different newbie that i was town in a dead thread that i can't find at the moment but i'll look for again if needed

so like in the past three games that i know you've read and/or were in you were wrong
and my game/playstyle has evolved a *lot* recently so no, i don't think you can read me rn
also since when do you think i lead towns off of cliffs ... ?

i think that you're only scum in the case where math is scum. i kinda hate his playstyle and there's particular things i don't like but i don't read your dynamic as svt rn, i think that your'e both the same alignment. that is how i read the situation, and i dislike that you're accusing me of trying to set up a mislynch on you when i am *not* going after math and i am *not* going after you and when i dont' know what either of you will flip.

i don't even know how you get to me trying to go after you when i'm trying to go after neither rn
and i feel like if i said i thought you were svt you'd have said the same thing ?
like the dynamic you're portraying means that there's no good answer to trying to give a gamestate read on your pair

i also don't particularly want to turn this game into a thing between us
(which is why i did blacklist you but was apparently ignored)

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean ... you thought i was scum in the newbie we just played

I townread you until you called me scum if a person whose lynch I was trying to prevent flipped town. (your reads sucked, mine didn't)
In this game you're essentially saying that if I lynch someone who you townread (again you having wrong reads and me not) then I'm scum because of it.

I'm over it?

i don't even know how you get to me trying to go after you when i'm trying to go after neither rn
and i feel like if i said i thought you were svt you'd have said the same thing ?
like the dynamic you're portraying means that there's no good answer to trying to give a gamestate read on your pair

i also don't particularly want to turn this game into a thing between us
(which is why i did blacklist you but was apparently ignored

I don't either and I'm sorry this happened but we've discussed this with my team and you are 100% going to force a 1v1 with me sooner or later and I just want it over with.
The real reason I was posting werewords tokens instead of playing was to avoid this but it's going to happen anyway so let's just get it over with as painlessly as possible.

[skitter30]

i purposefully try to de-escalate as much as i possibly can so i'm actually kinda pissed that you think i'd go out of my way to force this

[skitter30]

and that you're going to drag me into this anyways when this is literally the last thing i wanted to do in this entire thing

[RadiantCowbells]

Like put yourself in my perspective what am I supposed to do to avoid this besides lie down when you inevitably decide that I'm scum for whatever reason you're going to decide that I'm scum?

i purposefully try to de-escalate as much as i possibly can so i'm actually kinda pissed that you think i'd go out of my way to force this

you couldn't make it 22 posts in a game where the vast majority of the game has expressed townreads on me without calling me scum.
I do not think that you can handle the idea of me being alive in a game with you as town without the paranoia eating you alive. It's just not going to happen.

and that you're going to drag me into this anyways when this is literally the last thing i wanted to do in this entire thing

So then let's not.

I won't go after you, you don't go after me, if both of us are alive like way later in the game we do this but until then you don't go after me?

[skitter30]

i was going to say something else but it's probably against site rules

[skitter30]

I townread you until you called me scum if a person whose lynch I was trying to prevent flipped town. (your reads sucked, mine didn't)
In this game you're essentially saying that if I lynch someone who you townread (again you having wrong reads and me not) then I'm scum because of it.

nope i acutally had better reads than you, at the point that you decided that i was scum pushing shitty reads, i went back to check
and now you're like pre-emptively saying that i'm trying to set up a lynch on you for saying that i don't think your dynamic is svt (again there is apparently literally no answer here that i could give that *wouldn't* be setting up a lynch on you apparently)

i'm literally going after *neither* of you and you're imagining scenarios that are several days away that necessitate both my reads be wrong and scum!me deciding it would be a good fucking idea to pick a fight with you, on purpose

and my reads aren't usually that shitty, definitely not my gamestate reads

and i'm pissed that you're setting me up to fail and that you're setting up an environment where we both know i'm going to rise to the bait and pick a fight with you
and yeah this does make me wonder about your alignment because why the fuck would you think that this is a good idea as town, to force this
like, what, you think i'm ultimately going to get paranoid so it's better to have a 1v1 and take over the whole game now when you know i think that this is an awful idea and you know i hate this

[skitter30]

Like put yourself in my perspective what am I supposed to do to avoid this besides lie down when you inevitably decide that I'm scum for whatever reason you're going to decide that I'm scum?

i mean ... i'm trying to read you and i was trying to play nice and not make a thing and wasn't even scumreading you so you just decided to pick a fight first just in case i later read you differently .. ?

like this is kinda where i was worried scum!you were going to go with math, basically

[skitter30]

you couldn't make it 22 posts in a game where the vast majority of the game has expressed townreads on me without calling me scum.
I do not think that you can handle the idea of me being alive in a game with you as town without the paranoia eating you alive. It's just not going to happen.

i don't know what the first line is referring to
and i think that the second line is an unfair characterization of my play

and yeah, congrats
you've kicked off the paranoia, good job

[RadiantCowbells]

nope i acutally had better reads than you, at the point that you decided that i was scum pushing shitty reads, i went back to check

what?

you hard pushed a d1 mislynch, i was trying to lynch scum?

how do you possibly come to this claim

[skitter30]

I won't go after you, you don't go after me, if both of us are alive like way later in the game we do this but until then you don't go after me?

i mean ...
that's what i was trying to do ...

and now i'm thinking that you've decided it would be a good idea to lynch me or something because i have no idea why you think this entire conversation was a good idea as town

[RadiantCowbells]

Official Vote Count 1.21 (day end)

Lynching

With 9 living players it takes 5 votes to lynch.

gobbledygook (5):

Lovebird, GeorgeBailey, skitter30, Karnage, gobbledygook

bugspray (2):

Non lmh, RadiantCowbells

Naerys (2):

bugspray, Naerys

Not Voting (0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-05 13:20:00)

Mod notes:

Still seeking replacement for bugspray.
Now seeking replacement for RadiantCowbells.[/area]

like this isn't hard

bugspray was scum

gobbledygook was not

and you immediately turned around and, after I tried to prevent you from mislynching Gobbledygook, said that I was more likely scum after he flipped town.

and you're going to come here and say you had better reads? are you lying for rhetorical reasons or are you delusional?

[RadiantCowbells]

I won't go after you, you don't go after me, if both of us are alive like way later in the game we do this but until then you don't go after me?

i mean ...
that's what i was trying to do ...

and now i'm thinking that you've decided it would be a good idea to lynch me or something because i have no idea why you think this entire conversation was a good idea as town

you literally started it by calling me scum if my scumreads flipped scum. if you didn't expect this you had something else coming.

[skitter30]

do you need me to pull quotes, because if you need me to i will

and re-living that argument here is great for escalation, yay

[skitter30]

*de-escalation

[RadiantCowbells]

like "this isnt what I think is true" isnt a defense when clearly I don't agree with you that Mathblade is town? Like if you said "oh if [top mutual townread] flips scum" sure

do you need me to pull quotes, because if you need me to i will

and re-living that argument here is great for escalation, yay

sure, pull quotes. I'm not exactly sure how you are going to justify claiming to have better reads when you hard drove a d1 mislynch and I was trying to convince you to vote scum instead.

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

i've disagreed with almost all ur takes in the recent games of urs that i've scumread and then i've called you scum and it's just turned out that you were wrong

idk what to say shrug

i think we're going to have a lot of trouble with each other / each other's reads this game

my top scumreads are

georgebailey

and

arkias

:v

i don't think us disagreeing on reads has to lead to personal conflict but i'm not going to derail a lynch that i want solely out of respect for you, is what i'm trying to say.

my third would be the late

pvturist

but i'm not sure if i'm reading him correctly on account of the fact that i'm mostly scumreading him for having a bad iso when most people have bad isos this game

i think we're going to have a lot of trouble with each other / each other's reads this game

i meant more in the sense of 'our reads aren't compatible at all' than in the sense of 'personal conflict', to clarify

vaguely townie:

naerys

,

georgebailey

,

pvturist

vaguely scummy:

bugspray

,

bigfatdonald

null / idk: everyone else

confidence level: pretty low

well

yeah

that's a problem

there you go ^

this is why we shouldn't play together
i dont' understand why you're picking a fight with me
i don't understand why you've decided to make this literally the least enjoyable you possibly can for me

i don't understand what possible town motivation you could have for doing this

[RadiantCowbells]

ok here's the thing
my reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
your reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
you know that i don't police the early reads that i declare because i consider it all part of a process to get the same results
so you bringing up the argument "well BEFORE rc was actually sure who he wanted to lynch he was wrong" doesn't say a whole lot

having a correct read at one point in a day doesn't mean anything if you turn around and push a mislynch anyway.

[skitter30]

like "this isnt what I think is true" isnt a defense when clearly I don't agree with you that Mathblade is town? Like if you said "oh if [top mutual townread] flips scum" sure

ya and again:

- literally put me in a scenario where any possible read i gave on you/mathblade is wrong and gives you a reason to go after me
- i see like no reason to believe why i should trust your reads over mine

[skitter30]

ok here's the thing
my reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
your reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
you know that i don't police the early reads that i declare because i consider it all part of a process to get the same results
so you bringing up the argument "well BEFORE rc was actually sure who he wanted to lynch he was wrong" doesn't say a whole lot

having a correct read at one point in a day doesn't mean anything if you turn around and push a mislynch anyway.

yeah i don't agree with this mindset
my point is that this argument mirrors that one

[skitter30]

rc why are you picking a fight with me