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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:01 pm

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In post 370, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: rcenigma

Feels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well.
Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.

Xtoms entrance sucks.

Liking ico right now , is making reasonable points.
I am thinking Ari Bella Ico maybe?

This is another post of Bella’s that ignores the main track of conversation and starts another wagon about a recent scumspect. I don’t see her like of thought either.

It also detracts by talking about other players at random, like she doesn’t care about voting rcenigma but more about the other elements of the post.
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:02 pm

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In post 599, Plum wrote:I understand that stuff can happen incidentally (I'm V/LA Fridays and Saturdays so I get it and get how there's a long gap, page-wise, between my posts this weekend) but it's frustrating getting called out for supposedly not doing something I absolutely did do because I considered it relevant.
Again I apologize I look for immediate wtf etc and didn’t see it. When I find it later I will examine that and go from there.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:18 pm

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My team's having a meeting and we will have one more post to make tonight
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:30 pm

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(2): Bellaphant, the worst
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Not voting (3): Thilbert, Iconeum, teacher

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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:54 pm

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ok we're not getting the big team effortpost that i wanted but nsg off of what she's read does agree that math is scum ftr, mostly because the townread on me felt unnatural
i also think the reversal on that townread now when I'm way more obvtown now than I was in the early game feels super unnatural as well! yay

also the fact that math out of one corner of their mouth is trying to pocket me by agreeing on reads and shit and the other side is suggesting scumteams that include me
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:55 pm

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bitmap also thinks that math is scum but who really cares about bitmaps opinion tbh
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:16 am

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Cancel Food likes Math.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:26 am

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In post 495, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 490, the worst wrote:siiiggggghhh 360 noscope angleshoot strikes gold againnnn
I wasn't using any of that to angleshoot.
i'm aware you weren't, and i don't think xtoxm was angling at anything either
i was being silly!!
In post 496, skitter30 wrote:and i kinda hate the lamist-y stuff he says
and the aggressiveness
and his demands are kinda unreasonable for the stage of the game that he's asking them for (i.e. with asking tris for who his scumbuddies would be)
what are you finding scummy abt this tho
In post 501, RCEnigma wrote:Yeah, problem is. If RC is scum he's scum with Math.
i kinda think s/s is a worst case scenario with this - i couldn't tell you why i don't think it's s/s in so many words? but i kinda just don't ~feel~ like scumbuddies decided to have such a boring conversation for such a long time?
mathblade's de-escalation wasn't like.. "oh i've gotta end this dialogue". it felt more like the dialogue was stupid and he was cognisant that the dialogue was stupid so he exited it. i think mathblade being kinda alienating in the conversation is probably weak +town points.
In post 515, skitter30 wrote:like i think you're more conflict-forcing as scum than as town ...
historically this is very far from my expectation. town!rc thrives off forcing friction and reading the fallout; scum!rc tends to be towny enough to coast until he's called out and THEN forces conflict
wouldn't say he does bare minimum as scum but he feels more like he needs reads here imo



... got to skitter vs. rc and i kinda give up
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:29 am

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In post 597, Plum wrote:I have asked Ico twice to discuss his reasons for unvoting and specifically mentioned in my most recent post that him ignoring my first request is bad and feels like he's hoping the issue will just disappear if he ignores it
Just spotted this post-argument; this is unfortunately rarely AI for Ico. If I catch him in realtime I'll try and drag something out of him.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:19 am

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I wonder what team got the most scum role PMs because they're probably going to be the team that wins this event.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:53 am

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@rce because votes on a slot that isn't really here doesn't move the game on. on day 1, we want to see how people react to pressure, look at competing wagons later on, etc. A vote here feels lazy and anti-town.

Thanks about tris, I don't know them and I'm super null on them. Teacher hasn't massively impressed me, though.

@math, I'm not 'sheeping' ari, bc to do that I'd have to just chuck a vote on him bc ari did: it's obvious in my catch-up that I have other reasons for voting him. I don't think it means anything right now? If ari's scum i look pretty weird yelling out his wagon and 'sheeping' him but it's by honest response to the thread.

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more. Reading convos between worst and rc still make me townlean them. Actually, chat to me about math? I don't get town-lean.

@plum, ico's case on you isn't why I like them, per se. It's more a tonal read and they at least feel like they are solving.

@skitter, it felt really fence sitty. I like that they checked, rather than piling on a wagon willy-nilly. I know that's easy to fake though.

@math, how have i gone from derp-town (possibly) to scum based on an opening that didn't engage much with the game when like, I made it clear i was skim reading and had paid the most attention to the last few pages, and then went back and literally said 'wow, my read on rce was dumb'.

You've basically invented a narrative.

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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:00 am

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In post 610, Bellaphant wrote:@rce because votes on a slot that isn't really here doesn't move the game on. on day 1, we want to see how people react to pressure, look at competing wagons later on, etc. A vote here feels lazy and anti-town.

Thanks about tris, I don't know them and I'm super null on them. Teacher hasn't massively impressed me, though.

@math, I'm not 'sheeping' ari, bc to do that I'd have to just chuck a vote on him bc ari did: it's obvious in my catch-up that I have other reasons for voting him. I don't think it means anything right now? If ari's scum i look pretty weird yelling out his wagon and 'sheeping' him but it's by honest response to the thread.

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more. Reading convos between worst and rc still make me townlean them. Actually, chat to me about math? I don't get town-lean.

@plum, ico's case on you isn't why I like them, per se. It's more a tonal read and they at least feel like they are solving.

@skitter, it felt really fence sitty. I like that they checked, rather than piling on a wagon willy-nilly. I know that's easy to fake though.

@math, how have i gone from derp-town (possibly) to scum based on an opening that didn't engage much with the game when like, I made it clear i was skim reading and had paid the most attention to the last few pages, and then went back and literally said 'wow, my read on rce was dumb'.

You've basically invented a narrative.

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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:38 am

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In post 373, Iconeum wrote:
In post 370, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: rcenigmaFeels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well. Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.
can you also expand some on what you feel is awkward and contrived/theory plz
@Bella why did you ignore this? Will address your later post when I am done catching up so things make sense. I just skimmed it for a reply and saw none.

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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:39 am

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In post 379, skitter30 wrote:
In post 181, RadiantCowbells wrote:ok so who are we voting now
In post 183, RadiantCowbells wrote:i have a better vote

VOTE: Plum

no i never called you town but I was mostly just looking to see how people reacted to an early push
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RC literally did but based on recent tone I am guessing it was sarcastic.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:40 am

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In post 607, the worst wrote:In post 496, skitter30 wrote:
and i kinda hate the lamist-y stuff he says
and the aggressiveness
and his demands are kinda unreasonable for the stage of the game that he's asking them for (i.e. with asking tris for who his scumbuddies would be)

what are you finding scummy abt this tho
Sorry. Excluding the aggressiveness why is this not scummy particularly when I already pointed out that in 1 word the definition of Scum!Mathblade's meta is LAMISTy?
Also, the fact that he is laser focused on who is his partners apparently are? Isn't that, way way way more likely something that scum asks?
Why does town think that they can't possibly be partner read with anyone in the game and also focus on that as opposed to trying to spew them town?

but I think that MathBlade as he usually does has gone very far into trying to antiassociative (see: Mod is Mafia) and I think that MathBlade feels that their scumpartners can't be linked back to them and that the entire focus on that lampshades that fact. That's why I think the partner is something like Ari, who it looks like there's deliberate antispew attempts in terms of randomly calling him town + being 'willing' to vote him (although do note that it look until it seemed like it was a thing to commit to it.)
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:41 am

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In post 384, teacher wrote:Can I unilaterally impose geriatric rules? This game doubled in size since I went to sleep. Time to ketchup.
Lol no. Otherwise you’d have maybe four posts every three days from me

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Work became a no go except 30 minute lunch break.

The game would never go anywhere.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:42 am

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Like literally: I told you that Mathblade's scum meta is LAMISTness. A lot of other people in this TM should know that and agree with me. He claims that his meta changed, but that's also what he claimed last time he rolled scum on MafiaScum when this variable was correctly pointed out. How do u turn around from that and say lolwhyisthatscummy?

I have a serious question: does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:43 am

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In post 411, skitter30 wrote:Ok i didnt quite finish but i gotta bounce
Town: probably rc, probably tris, maybe plum, maybe rce, maybe ari
Not town: ico, tw, bella

Math i'm on the fence, i put him on both lists like three times but kept switching him since neither feels quite right. Gun to head i would say town and that what i dont like is more a playstyle difference than anything else

I kinda feel like math/rc would clash more if they were tvs

i like both plum/tris independantly, but i've been getting plum/tris vibes together, which might be a weird thing to say, but there you go

Teacher still hasnt done anything ai and i'm waiting for the weekend to form a read cuz i think he will be around more then

Oh yeah xtoxm's entrance was p bad too

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I’d be willing to compromise on Ico but Bella’s posting is much worse.
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:45 am

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Flopz replaces Thilbert.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:46 am

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Also, note MathBlade repeatedly putting Ari in his lynchpool but he wasn't willing to vote that until it was wagoned and he's still trying to look for alternative wagons and is basically wagon shopping atm.
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:47 am

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In post 429, MathBlade wrote:
In post 427, Bellaphant wrote:UNVOTE:


VOTE: skitter
What do you make of yourself sheeping Ari who has a lot of votes?

If Ari is town what do you think this means?
And if Ari is scum what do you think this means?
In post 430, MathBlade wrote:And I am not sheeping Ari. Been warming up to the theory Ari is trying to pocket me and RC.
And even when MathBlade did vote Ari, he tried to spin it as something that towncleared him by arguing that Ari was trying to pocket the both of us.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 616, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like literally: I told you that Mathblade's scum meta is LAMISTness. A lot of other people in this TM should know that and agree with me. He claims that his meta changed, but that's also what he claimed last time he rolled scum on MafiaScum when this variable was correctly pointed out. How do u turn around from that and say lolwhyisthatscummy?

I have a serious question: does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?
You’re right I LAMIST as scum. I also LAMIST as town. I get you don’t like me. I however am playing to win and that involves not messing with your ego. You’re going to spam the thread bc you want me gone.

If you’re going to do so at least be factually correct and post decent arguments so people can interact with what bs you’re spewing. You have the caliber to force this through. I just refuse to play your game and pretend it has any credibility. You throw around your name and play like it means something instead of actually being a teammate.

This game isn’t the RC show. I townread you after Titus explained how to. Therefore this is completely antitown. I can and will hunt. And if you think I am scum because I don’t bow down to the altar of RC then in your head imagine I am delivering a lot of spew and associations. I am sick of you scumreading people you don’t like every game and it’s plainly obvious.

Find one game you townread me in correctly a majority of the time. I’ll wait. Til then move the fuck on.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:50 am

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You know that in the keychain hydra game I hard townread your slot, I just wanted you dead anyway right?
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:51 am

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In post 621, MathBlade wrote:I townread you after Titus explained how to.
Titus doesn't know how to read me though, so this doesn't make an ounce of sense. If she did claim a strategy for reading me, it would certainly be more late game than this.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:52 am

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You're gonna make this personal to win because you know that everyone's gonna empathize with your rage against the RC thing, I get that, but there's really nothing personal here and that should be obvious to everyone else.
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