Guns & Roses III [Game over]

[Amrun]

like honestly the way you/icon/amrun is acting is kiiiiind of worrying me tbh

amrun and icon are hard TRing each other

amrun has said she wants to Lynch you today but I don't think she's cased you and she hasn't really been pushing it

she's also said she's tin foiling me as scum

you're TRing me which is what I'd expect

but also pushing a gamma lynch really hard and kind of ignoring the other slots in the game

icon is entering with a strong "Mena/gamma + 1" scum team read, indicating he'd be fine with gamma too

so it just sort of feels like this could be 2 scum pushing on town while one is distancing from it in case it doesn't work out


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that said

idk I'm still struggling to believe you can emulate your town play this well as scum but equally you have fooled me hard before as scum

but then again that was our first game together and I'\ve literally not been wrong on you since then

I am tired of waiting around on gamma to claim what night. Is it really worth stalling the game for days to get that info?

I’d prefer it too but I’m fed up.


Menalque, I misread that post for the part about ignoring other slots. You were addressing datisi but you just said “you” so I didn’t realize that.

P-edit: I’m assuming you mean me and Icon as opposed to me and gamma bc me and gamma is an asinine proposition. Why are you criticizing me for not pushing anyone “strongly” or “casing” Datisi when you haven’t pushed anyone at ALL?

[Menalque]

No, it’s not, which is why I’m saying we should set a hard limit of 24hrs and proceed from there if he doesn’t turn up

I just don’t like it bc it’s an excuse to avoid going early in the claim order, but equally we at least know he’s claimed rose so *shrug*

Yes, I obviously mean you and icon, I definitely don’t think you’re scum with gamma

I think you and gamma are v likely TVS but the problem is IF it’s gamma!town you!scum I’m not gonna know until it’s already too late

And because you actually do seem to have a scumread on datisi? I’m not pushing anything because I feel deeply unsure and I don’t think it’s helpful because why would i push something I’m not myself sold on? Whereas if you really think datisi is scum then why aren’t you doing more to sell us on that?

[Menalque]

Am I misunderstanding the strength of your datisi SR?

[Menalque]

Also should datisi pushing gamma not fypov give you some sort of pause on gamma?

[Datisi]

Why do you think Amrun/Gamma aren't S/S?

[Amrun]

Am I misunderstanding the strength of your datisi SR?

A little, though I understand why. S_S townflip scrambled my brain, and given gamestate, I’m not sure of anything. I really want the massclaim before making my final assessments, which is why I’m not making my final lynch selection yet, and not trying to convince anyone yet.

Also should datisi pushing gamma not fypov give you some sort of pause on gamma?

Absolutely it does, which is why I may want to flip datisi first.

Why do you think Amrun/Gamma aren't S/S?

Because she’s read the game?

Posts like this are super hard pinging next. She’s trying pretty hard not to close off her mislynch options here.

[Amrun]

*she not he

*me not next

Fuck me.

[Amrun]

How about I just claim and we move forward??

Gamma can claim his night ASAP.

[Datisi]

What mislynch options? Scum needs one mislynch, why would I need to set you up next? Unless you think me/Gamma are a team and i'm hardbussing today which I'm frankly ??? about

[Amrun]

Yes but you (or scum, if you’re town) have to get everyone to agree on a mislynch today so not disqualifying teams is very obviously to scum benefit.

[Amrun]

Especially if it’s gamma/Datisi which I see as pretty likely.

[Datisi]

Especially if it’s gamma/Datisi which I see as pretty likely.

Please elaborate.

[Amrun]

Especially if it’s gamma/Datisi which I see as pretty likely.

Please elaborate.

Datisi, if scum, could easily have decided today is the day to hardbus gamma, who is not remotely trying. It could even be a scum coordinated plan “hey, fuck your catchup, look scummy and we will bus you for towncred.”

If Amrun is cleared by a gamma red flip, it is very bad for Datisi scum in this situation.

[Datisi]

I mean i want to believe that scum!me would do that a bit more ~gracefully~ since me/Gamma would be one of the shittiest busses ever that give no towncred but I know that's not a prticularly convincing argument for anyone else

[Datisi]

ok i skimmed Amrun's iso with ctrl+f "tex" and I went over texcat's iso
they don't really look aligned unless they were specifically going for bussing with given how much presence tex has I doubt it

so the team is either something like Amrun/Icon/DW? or Amrun is Town
i still don't want to believe Gamma's play comes from Town atp but would that then mean Mena's scum? unless the other proposed team of Icon/DW/Gamma

in other words i've no fucking clue anymore

remind me to yell at myself post game for diverting from Gamma

i think i'm off to sleep for a bit

[Amrun]

I’m rushing my son to the ER so I’m not sure how shit will go down so I’m claiming.

Night 3 rose.

Please proceed with the game, my presence may be high or very low idk

[Menalque]

oh that's awful amrun, I'm so sorry

I hope everything is okay

[Amrun]

He’s fine. He just has semi-complicated medical history.

Turned out to not be what we feared, just a virus and awful asthma. So false alarm sorta.

[alimdia]

I mean I'm not saying gamma has not been terrible here, but I'm saying

I think being terrible is more likely to come from town

when potentially all scum has to do here is look townier than the next person and the game is donezo

like there's a reason why I'm not saying "oh yeah we should locktown gamma based on this" I'm saying "this is making me worried that gamma is still here as the default lynch and that combined with his entrance makes me nervous about rushing in on him"

why

because of the second part of that sentence?

I think town!gamma is slightly more likely to be defeatist here than scum!gamma

all scum!gamma needs to do is to try and be a little bit less scummy than the next person to win

whereas town!gamma who wouldn't know who scum is would have to effort only to potentially shift the lynch onto another town and lose anyway

i'm not justifying with with "if Gamma is Town we deserve to lose"
I'm justifying it by "I really don't think town!Gamma is going to start acting so Towny to live to 3p and actially win there so if he is town we lose sooner or later so let's end it sooner"

do you have any experience with Gamma?

The point where popcorn if used scummily can help us catch scum, is only valid if we actually catch scum first.

[alimdia]

Fuck Q++.

Response to first quote: gamma has been doing the same shit.
What Datisi is saying is either we never lynch Gamma or we 'reconsider' him at 3p lylo, cos hes reaching 3p lylo as scum or town. So rather than wasting time, we should do it now.

[alimdia]

Finally, my claim is backed up by breadcrumbs, so idm going whenever

[DogWatch]

If you’re the scummiest slot at lylo and you’re actually town, you do a hell of a lot more than gamma has to clear yourself in order to play to your wincon. What is really more likely:

- gamma is town that has given up and doesn’t give a shit if town loses
- gamma is scum who is trying to coast to a likely win
- gamma is scum whose team wants to bus him at lylo

I don’t think it’s the last one because why would scum prolong the game when they could just push a mislynch?

[Menalque]

I mean I'm not saying gamma has not been terrible here, but I'm saying

I think being terrible is more likely to come from town

when potentially all scum has to do here is look townier than the next person and the game is donezo

like there's a reason why I'm not saying "oh yeah we should locktown gamma based on this" I'm saying "this is making me worried that gamma is still here as the default lynch and that combined with his entrance makes me nervous about rushing in on him"

why

because of the second part of that sentence?

I think town!gamma is slightly more likely to be defeatist here than scum!gamma

all scum!gamma needs to do is to try and be a little bit less scummy than the next person to win

whereas town!gamma who wouldn't know who scum is would have to effort only to potentially shift the lynch onto another town and lose anyway

i'm not justifying with with "if Gamma is Town we deserve to lose"
I'm justifying it by "I really don't think town!Gamma is going to start acting so Towny to live to 3p and actially win there so if he is town we lose sooner or later so let's end it sooner"

do you have any experience with Gamma?

The point where popcorn if used scummily can help us catch scum, is only valid if we actually catch scum first.

yes but the point is who popcorns to whom is potentially useful in finding that out at all

[Menalque]

If you’re the scummiest slot at lylo and you’re actually town, you do a hell of a lot more than gamma has to clear yourself in order to play to your wincon. What is really more likely:

- gamma is town that has given up and doesn’t give a shit if town loses
- gamma is scum who is trying to coast to a likely win
- gamma is scum whose team wants to bus him at lylo

I don’t think it’s the last one because why would scum prolong the game when they could just push a mislynch

?

why is this unlikely fypov? if scum don't feel like they're in a good position to get a mislynch today, why risk the game entirely by doubling down on your teammate being town instead of hard bussing them and going for the win in 5p lylo when you've got towncred for hard pushing scum?

[DogWatch]

The slot is so widely scumread that I don’t think post-flip towncred means a whole lot in this particular instance.