Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

You know that in the keychain hydra game I hard townread your slot, I just wanted you dead anyway right?

So you gamethrew that game? And you’re pretty much doing it again.

You do this each game we play in. You just “want me gone” for reasons I don’t understand.

Bella being scum and/or misguided I at least respect their playstyle because they at least try and/or don’t pull this shit. Go away I am going back to the thread now. Keep yelling and pretending what you say matters.

[the worst]

Mathblade's scum meta is LAMISTness

I very sincerely do not think that LAMISTy posting is outside of Math's townrange. Dude hasn't been onsite for a year. I can't really remember what he's like as a player. To be candid I'm not taking your cold meta into account when cold reading him.

I can write up what I like about Math later - sorry. Mobileposting is a lot of effort.

[the worst]

does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?

You need to settle the fuck down RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine Duck, you made your choice.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine Duck, you made your choice.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: skitter

Now this is interesting.

There are many wagons and many different convos here and now a Skittter vote.

So what made things so strong for you at this point in time?

[RadiantCowbells]

You know that in the keychain hydra game I hard townread your slot, I just wanted you dead anyway right?

So you gamethrew that game? And you’re pretty much doing it again.

You do this each game we play in. You just “want me gone” for reasons I don’t understand.

Bella being scum and/or misguided I at least respect their playstyle because they at least try and/or don’t pull this shit. Go away I am going back to the thread now. Keep yelling and pretending what you say matters.

It's been years and it is super clear from everyone's point of view that I have nothing personal against you at this time and am lynching you because I scumread you.
If you prefer to convince yourself that you're so good that I'm policy scumreading you as opposed to caught you genuinely, you can believe that.

[the worst]

I make several choices every time I post. It's how social deception games roll.

You don't need someone's reads to supersede the other's in actuality (??); the moment you ask that it draws away from any integrity in the read and turns it into an ego contest for no reason.

I can't think of a non stupid way to respond to that because like tbh it's a stupid question. I'll try and work through it with Ank when I'm at a PC & not at work if you'd like. But I'm gonna need a prompt which is read driven not personality driven.

[RadiantCowbells]

It does not make it an ego contest. It does not state that I am better that Ankamius or vice versa. The question says more about Ankamius's confidence in the read than anything else, since I already know Ankamius believes her reads are better than mine.

[MathBlade]

1. Post count by your previous logic
2. Pushing back on RCE’s gratuitous TL of me.
3. Raising matters of interest in my own time and not being driven off how I approach the game for the sake of appeasing the others who’ve voiced the same view as you. They don’t know better, you do, and it gives me the vibes of blendy laziness with a side of leaving me open.

I think that while this is more evidence that teacher is lock!town, the reasoning is imho bad.

Post logic should never be contributing to alignment unless some meta reasons.
I don’t see why the TL of you is gratuitous? You are one of my strongest townreads if not the strongest.

I don’t understand the last one?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think Ankamius calls for an outweigh on my reads unless she's really sure and that's a really useful data point for me to have in this game.
If I still go after Mathblade and they flip scum, it means I lynch you after, maybe it means I don't vote Mathblade in the first place.

But if Ankamius is like casually townreading Mathblade I really don't care, and if they are hard townreading Mathblade then I am going to take it into consideration

[MathBlade]

eh, Skit, on reread now that Im on a computer and control-f'ing, you didnt repeat yourself as much as I had thought.
UNVOTE:

+1

I think teacher+rce is a good start to a town block.

I like a lot more of skitter’s posts up to this point and am putting them in town lean now.

[the worst]

ok you asked "does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?" when you meant "how confident does Ank feel about town!Math?"

i can definitely ask that; i don't think her reads are really all that refined past first impressions.

[the worst]

I like a lot more of skitter’s posts up to this point and am putting them in town lean now.

could you throw me some commentary about her recent posting which you like please?
preferably while you're in the moment; i'm really interested to see how your mind is working because i think i'm reading her roughly backwards from you.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok you asked "does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?" when you meant "how confident does Ank feel about town!Math?"

i can definitely ask that; i don't think her reads are really all that refined past first impressions.

this is the same question... if i wanted to just say no i am better than ank sheep me fuckheads i would have done that and linked our overlapping games rather than asked you to ask her a question

but okay i was like really blown away by your reaction to my question.

[MathBlade]

So, I hate Day one. I'm catching up. very stream of consciousness

Page 1-6

Spoiler:

Mathblade's page one is super weird, really aggressive for no reason. Stands out the worst 13
Skitter's response is my response here, so early town lean. 24
Not seeing the fuss about 45, Plum's fine
46 actually feels town though. seems relaxed and confident. Followed up in 56. Town-feels
Ari's scum team in 78 is super weird.
96 of skitters is really, really damaging to my town read. 'could be this, or that. or that'. Yes, that's the game.
128 cool, rc is town

@ari, talk to me about your teacher read?

Page 7-13

Spoiler:

I'm not seeing the math scum read here, at all. they are being silly about the partners thing but not scummy.
186 oh, apparently rc is playing? like this response to plum
plum's vote on an absent slot is scummy 209 and even acknowledges this in the post.
more ari votes? this looks worst for the worst than RC.
Ico's plum reasons are fine.
Enigma comes in with some ok reads 320 is just good advice

Votes on ari's absent slot are just bad and you should all feel bad.
@ennimga, talk to me about tris and teacher?

14-18

Spoiler:

325 why? why? I hate the lack of content here.
343 etc were the posts I felt bad about 'theory crafting' from Enigma earlier. Posts like 359 are making me wonder if this is just my personality disliking the self aware/removed tone.
Still not seeing the ari scum-read. Even if I was, votes here are bad.
Skitters posting is not improving.
I can't make anything of teacher.

Can we stop just sheeping rc? Whether he's wrong or right it's super unhelpful for later analysis.

I work much better if people talk directly to me. I think I've played with plum ages ago, ari a few times and rc a bunch. Pls all come throw questions/ideas at me.
UNVOTE: skitter

(I'd vote for plum but my teammates like that they chatted to their team about ari. I'm thinking about it.)

This post here by Bella voting skitter (yes it says unvote but she meant vote as evidenced by the next post) is bad because she’s being very disingenuous about having questions and ideas thrown at her (as evidenced by her lack of reply) .

She goes out of her way to say Ari and Ico votes are bad in two separate posts while pushing other people.

The only thing I agree with is no one should be sheeping almost anyone without a damn good reason.

[MathBlade]

I like a lot more of skitter’s posts up to this point and am putting them in town lean now.

could you throw me some commentary about her recent posting which you like please?
preferably while you're in the moment; i'm really interested to see how your mind is working because i think i'm reading her roughly backwards from you.

Sure just a second Mobile posting

[RadiantCowbells]

Duck, you think that scum!Skitter has the meltdown that she had in reaction to my push on her? I would like to believe that she simply would never do that as scum.

[teacher]

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more

For some reason the wording of this particular snip rubbed me the wrong way hard, from someone who has t posted that much compared to the person they’re addressing. Plus the entry etc.

VOTE: Bella

[MathBlade]

I mean, i didnt think so either ...

I dont particularly like this push on me, i think

There were also questions before where skitter said “I don’t think that’s town indicative of you” (paraphrase)
This shows that either Skitter is able to lie rather quickly that they are attempting a meta read of them or they have gotten way faster at outright lying. When I saw them first as scum they were in a neighborhood and the posting was not nearly as fast. While it’s possible that skitter got faster at rapidly lying and faking deep thought my gut says no and they are town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Especially because to me the rage and frustration wasn't really in response to me voting her, because she was fine with that
I think that she was mad because she felt that the policy lynch attempt showed 1) not caring what alignment she was and 2) not caring for her potential town contributions, aka not respecting her
and as someone who used to absolutely flip out about it and has only gradually gotten better about it and still hates that shit, yeah i'm not surprised by her reaction.

I would put her as probably the most likely slot in the game to be town atm?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: rcenigmaFeels awkward and contrived. Too much theory talk as well. Skim reading, need to go back and look at the Ari stuff. Like the rc/the worst interaction over the last few pages.

can you also expand some on what you feel is awkward and contrived/theory plz

@Bella why did you ignore this? Will address your later post when I am done catching up so things make sense. I just skimmed it for a reply and saw none.

VOTE: Bella (will go into more detail when I am caught up)

@teacher Why do you think Bella wants to talk with the worst and ignore Ico?

I am thinking possible teammates or Ico is asking a question Bella doesn’t want answered and maybe is teammates with worst instead?

[teacher]

I thought there was an answer to Icos quoted question. Will go try to five if.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also think Teacher is weirdly town
like I'm not quite sure what I'd point to for why but I don't think he's scum

[teacher]

343 etc were the posts I felt bad about 'theory crafting' from Enigma earlier. Posts like 359 are making me wonder if this is just my personality disliking the self aware/removed tone.
Still not seeing the ari scum-read. Even if I was, votes here are bad.

Here’s the answer, in a spoiler.