Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

you

Will do.

If you could please do yours as well do we see where we agree or disagree?

[RadiantCowbells]

you first then I will

[MathBlade]

the worst >> Scum pool
Mathblade >> Towniest town to ever town that is really trying to be better at towning
RCEnigma >> uberTown
tris >> null, hope more comes. Probably town due to size of scum pool
Aristophanes >> scum pool, would Vig pool
Iconeum >> scum lean (but makes sense with Ari+Bella if either town reevaluate)
Plum >> Stock improving especially since their fallout of me. I like it. Town lean.
Bellaphant >> scum pool
Xtoxm >> would Vig pool null lack of posting would compromise
RadiantCowbells >> you’re RC
Flopz Thilbert >> see Xtom
teacher >> uberTown
skitter30 >> townLean

[MathBlade]

Your turn RC.

[RCEnigma]

I also mentioned playstyle. Rce looks very logical and tonallt a bit detached whereas I'm more scatty and chatty.

I put a large focus on rvs and rvs interactions for the majority of my tone reads. Which might be why I'm anti-Math right now. I missed out on all of those possible interactions but yeah I'd say I'm more a logic player even if the logic doesn't always match up.

I think the quotes you're calling out are an okish read to have but it's very out if context and nitpicky. A lot of posts around those particular ones were content driven or some form of player sorting.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'mactually struggling to have a readslist

ok

Rc town Skitter town Teacher town I think
{RCE, Bellaphant, Ico} are light townleans but any could be scum
{Xtoxm, TW, Thilbert} are all fundamentally null
Mathblade gets a Mathblade read- contrary to claims you're not actually my top scumread and i really wish i could have gotten a sorting wagon but it's not worth it
{ari, plum, tris} are my scumreads but i don't actually think all of them are scum and i think i'll have a more sophisticated way of picking out which are actually scum once I have reads on Xtoxm, TW, Thilbert

[MathBlade]

Agreed on the not worth it. What do you make of people not hopping on the wagon you started?

We do look mostly in agreement except Bella/Ico and Plum/Tris.

Talk about why you have those reads please?

[RadiantCowbells]

I've asked the thread twice I think whether Plum's tone is scum indicative for them and my read on them is wholly based on the answer to that question because content wise they're not actually scummy

Tris, idk. It's hard to pinpoint why and I guess it mostly comes down to 2 things.
1) The only true scumread NSG gave in this game was Tris
2) I feel like the entire Ari->Tris thing was weird. Why did he single her out to talk to if they're not SvS

[RadiantCowbells]

Like that whole scumread on her + the "calling it now plumskittertris" feels liek a super, super TMI scumread and I think that Ari is most likely scum of anyone in the game and I think that logic makes sense for partners

[MathBlade]

I've asked the thread twice I think whether Plum's tone is scum indicative for them and my read on them is wholly based on the answer to that question because content wise they're not actually scummy

Tris, idk. It's hard to pinpoint why and I guess it mostly comes down to 2 things.
1) The only true scumread NSG gave in this game was Tris
2) I feel like the entire Ari->Tris thing was weird. Why did he single her out to talk to if they're not SvS

And I have said Plum’s tone especially their reply to my mistake was Townie? Sorry if I was unclear.

I think Ari scum is singling out puppets. Admittedly I don’t remember the Tris moment, but Ari’s posts as sporadic as they are, are probably buddy attempts with active users at that time. Either that or Ari is town. I don’t see any SvS motivation there as the same argument could be made towards memeing with you instead of content. It could be argued (incorrectly) me + Ari. The posts + reason has to be made and I think Ari is more likely to have a lack of association with buddies if scjm given VLA

[Flopz]

Aloha Muchachos. Hectic and Hopkirk have told me to sheep RC until they have a chance to look at the thread (might be a while). I'm not sure if they're joking or not but they've been quite relentless. It's 23.31 here so I'm gonna head off but I would like to reassure you that I will not replace out too, probably.

VOTE: mathblade

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, he pushed on her, he didn't buddy her. Did you reread what I'm talking about now?

[Flopz]

I will read the thread soon.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like you just called me wrong without even reading what I am referring to. This is why I say that we don't work well together.

[MathBlade]

i wouldn't say so. sometimes i guess.

Cool cool cool

I ask because while your initial post about the party hat was innocuous, your responses to Math calling it out were a little less so. I could see it from a newbie or someone like Nancy Drew (sorry my compadre but it's apt and I know you understand) who is more likely to take things more emotionally or personally on a quick read. You seemed a lot more ruffled by Math than you needed to be.

VOTE: Tris

I think this a decent start to the game and have a few decent reads already, which is nice

This is not a push. This is one vote.

Admittedly I fucked up and memory was bad. I couldn’t remember him voting anyone.

If anything this means that if Ari is scum Tris is town due to the risk of a wagon actually succeeding and not being able to move his vote would be bad.

[MathBlade]

Aloha Muchachos. Hectic and Hopkirk have told me to sheep RC until they have a chance to look at the thread (might be a while). I'm not sure if they're joking or not but they've been quite relentless. It's 23.31 here so I'm gonna head off but I would like to reassure you that I will not replace out too, probably.

VOTE: mathblade

Bad job of sheeping RC said I am not a scumread.

He’s just being typical RC which is to focus on me til I am gone which is NAI and silly.

[RadiantCowbells]

i wouldn't say so. sometimes i guess.

Cool cool cool

I ask because while your initial post about the party hat was innocuous, your responses to Math calling it out were a little less so. I could see it from a newbie or someone like Nancy Drew (sorry my compadre but it's apt and I know you understand) who is more likely to take things more emotionally or personally on a quick read. You seemed a lot more ruffled by Math than you needed to be.

VOTE: Tris

I think this a decent start to the game and have a few decent reads already, which is nice

This is not a push. This is one vote.

Admittedly I fucked up and memory was bad. I couldn’t remember him voting anyone.

If anything this means that if Ari is scum Tris is town due to the risk of a wagon actually succeeding and not being able to move his vote would be bad.

????????

this is literally

a page 2 vote

you really think that scum would NEVER vote scum on page 2?

[RadiantCowbells]

And no I never said this. You're just trying to find evidence to support the theories you already have and disprove mine, not actually work with me.
I do not believe that you in general believe that scum wouldn't vote scum on Page 2. I do believe that you regardless of alignment have decided that you townread Tris and are going to defend her from me by any means possible.

[MathBlade]

i wouldn't say so. sometimes i guess.

Cool cool cool

I ask because while your initial post about the party hat was innocuous, your responses to Math calling it out were a little less so. I could see it from a newbie or someone like Nancy Drew (sorry my compadre but it's apt and I know you understand) who is more likely to take things more emotionally or personally on a quick read. You seemed a lot more ruffled by Math than you needed to be.

VOTE: Tris

I think this a decent start to the game and have a few decent reads already, which is nice

This is not a push. This is one vote.

Admittedly I fucked up and memory was bad. I couldn’t remember him voting anyone.

If anything this means that if Ari is scum Tris is town due to the risk of a wagon actually succeeding and not being able to move his vote would be bad.

????????

this is literally

a page 2 vote

you really think that scum would NEVER vote scum on page 2?

Any scum no. It happens.

A scum going on known VLA? That’s a huge risk I don’t think Ari would take.

[RadiantCowbells]

Any scum no. It happens.

A scum going on known VLA? That’s a huge risk I don’t think Ari would take.

it is

really

really

really

not a big deal to be voting your scum in early game and Ari is a known busser anyway.

[MathBlade]

And no I never said this. You're just trying to find evidence to support the theories you already have and disprove mine, not actually work with me.
I do not believe that you in general believe that scum wouldn't vote scum on Page 2. I do believe that you regardless of alignment have decided that you townread Tris and are going to defend her from me by any means possible.

I actually don’t townread Tris. Tris is null for me. I just don’t think Ari+Tris is a thing.

Do you think Tris is more likely scum than Ari?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I think your reasons for believing Ari+Tris isn't a thing are bad.

[MathBlade]

No, I think your reasons for believing Ari+Tris isn't a thing are bad.

Let’s pretend Ari+Tris is a thing for a moment.

Do you think X or Flopz are a third?

[RadiantCowbells]

no reason to say no, but also no reason to say yes.

i do think there's a weird centralization of the game around The Worst (not exactly correct phrasing but I am using it) whereby

Bella asked TW for opinions
Plum asked Worstie for his read on her
And several other people brought him up disproportionately

which i'm curious about how to interpret

but yeah it could easily be either of them and part of my problem solving this game is the huge # of true unknowns

[MathBlade]

no reason to say no, but also no reason to say yes.

i do think there's a weird centralization of the game around The Worst (not exactly correct phrasing but I am using it) whereby

Bella asked TW for opinions
Plum asked Worstie for his read on her
And several other people brought him up disproportionately

which i'm curious about how to interpret

but yeah it could easily be either of them and part of my problem solving this game is the huge # of true unknowns

I think that exists but the more I think about it I think if Bella is town something is wrong. I just wish the Ari wagon woulda picked up more steam. The fact people are saying no (especially Bella) without an explanation irks me.

Are you irked that people didn’t follow you onto Ari but are following onto me?