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[Alisae]

Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

She always scumreads me when we’re town.
ALWAYS

[Alisae]

Like her read on me just looks like she knows I’m town I’m not sure how to explain it more then that

[Chemist1422]

Why is chemist town?

Why is jjh possibly scum?

@chem how much are you talking to your team about this game?

hito your chem vote is bad

I feel like you're voting there because you're expecting chem to do things and that's just not gonna happen regardless of alignment

I also think chem!scum is very catchable late game whereas chem!town is mislynch bait who scum love to mislynch on D1

I mean I think I’m leaning chem town but I have no idea why tf he’s voting ofhrz

@klick

think he would be more confident on it as scum and use it to do things like push hito

Obviously the second part doesn’t line up if hito is scum but still

[mastina]

but I kinda assumed you must have read it based on how you're delaying placing me

No, no, the delayed placement is due to a combination of factors.
The aforementioned "you'll probably get nightkilled if you're town"; the fact that getting a read on you so early seems like a waste of time; the fact that your stated approach to the best way to sort you (the "I'll be good regardless of alignment on D1, but look to degradations of quality on future days") is indeed something that resonates true with me; there was at least one more reason for it but I'm having trouble recalling what it was.

Basically I trust you to be sorted easily with enough time so I don't need to spend extra time on you when you're not a high-priority sort. This is team mafia; this is a stacked playerlist, but also filled with players that I have a traditionally-not-so-excellent track record at reliably reading. Trying to read someone who is difficult to read, when there is a high chance that they will be sorted on their own given enough time, when they are not someone who there is an immediate need to sort, seems like a waste of time best spent elsewhere.

To put it another way.

If you are scum I don't expect that there is a critical need to identify you and lynch you on D1.
If you are town I don't expect that there is a critical need to identify you on D1 particularly given that you won't be mislynched in this game in all probability.

You and Jingle were the two players who this applied to. I did accidentally develop a townread on Jingle without trying but have mostly kept myself from forming a too-early townread on you.

If I thought that I was in any way shape or form a high priority nightkill (I would be if I claimed but as long as I'm unclaimed it don't matter how much I softclaim, I aint eating the nightkill, so I'm not a high priority nightkill), I would by necessity form a read on you to the best of my ability; if I thought that sorting you today was a make-or-break the game situation where if I didn't correctly peg you as scum the game would end in a scum win, I would by necessity form a read on you to the best of my ability.

But neither applies so you're someone who, unless a wagon develops on you, is a waste of time to try and sort right now.

[jjh927]

Also adding that he mentioned how postie was accused about being proxy!RC but she wasn't.

Spoiler: Thanks for reminding me this exists

Not sure if I can tag myself yet but some people in this game definitely could

[mastina]

Btw I definitely think mastina v bitmap is not a TvT

Great, then you know Bitmap is scum!

like I think bitmap just wanting to use my script to not read mastina’s posts seems more town indicative then scum indicative and bitmap seems to feel like he’s being super marginalized. Like maybe that makes him town but his playstyle is freaking me out

What if I told you.
That Bitmap's "I'm being marginalized!" posts.
Were to serve an agenda to sell a specific narrative of the scumreads on his slot being based around something that they weren't actually based around?

[Alisae]

Btw I definitely think mastina v bitmap is not a TvT

Great, then you know Bitmap is scum!

like I think bitmap just wanting to use my script to not read mastina’s posts seems more town indicative then scum indicative and bitmap seems to feel like he’s being super marginalized. Like maybe that makes him town but his playstyle is freaking me out

What if I told you.
That Bitmap's "I'm being marginalized!" posts.
Were to serve an agenda to sell a specific narrative of the scumreads on his slot being based around something that they weren't actually based around?

What if I told you that literally no one asked for your opinion

[Chemist1422]

Also adding that he mentioned how postie was accused about being proxy!RC but she wasn't.

Spoiler: Thanks for reminding me this exists

Not sure if I can tag myself yet but some people in this game definitely could

Normally I’d say EF but I think this is the one game I’m not lynchbait in

[Bitmap]

Btw I definitely think mastina v bitmap is not a TvT

Great, then you know Bitmap is scum!

like I think bitmap just wanting to use my script to not read mastina’s posts seems more town indicative then scum indicative and bitmap seems to feel like he’s being super marginalized. Like maybe that makes him town but his playstyle is freaking me out

What if I told you.
That Bitmap's "I'm being marginalized!" posts.
Were to serve an agenda to sell a specific narrative of the scumreads on his slot being based around something that they weren't actually based around?

What if I told you that literally no one asked for your opinion

SHUT THE FUCK UP FURRY

[jjh927]

Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

She always scumreads me when we’re town.
ALWAYS

It's frustrating because I wanna be able to say some meta thing too except one that makes you be wrong but the meta thing in my case is that me and Mastina probably just townread each other all the time

[Alisae]

Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

She always scumreads me when we’re town.
ALWAYS

It's frustrating because I wanna be able to say some meta thing too except one that makes you be wrong but the meta thing in my case is that me and Mastina probably just townread each other all the time

You know how mastina plays scum right?

[mastina]

What if I told you that literally no one asked for your opinion

If people don't want my opinion then they should try playing/reading the other games because in this game I am a player and I am going to have opinions on everything.

[jjh927]

I think I do and I don't think this is it

[Menalque]

catching up

[jjh927]

Btw I definitely think mastina v bitmap is not a TvT

Great, then you know Bitmap is scum!

like I think bitmap just wanting to use my script to not read mastina’s posts seems more town indicative then scum indicative and bitmap seems to feel like he’s being super marginalized. Like maybe that makes him town but his playstyle is freaking me out

What if I told you.
That Bitmap's "I'm being marginalized!" posts.
Were to serve an agenda to sell a specific narrative of the scumreads on his slot being based around something that they weren't actually based around?

What if I told you that literally no one asked for your opinion

Tbf I think the second point is crucial.

[Chemist1422]

Bad take: mastina is scum because she hasn’t referenced the flowchart yet

Yes I’m joking

[jjh927]

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

[Jingle]

@mastina

It was more or less "Jingle is being so blatantly obviously opportunistic there's no way that he's actually scum", more or less a too scummy for a competent player to actually be scum argument.

Hey mastina, what's my opinion on D1 wagons on me?

tl;dr on the case in rough order of strength:

Projection
Discrediting
Lack of Follow Through
Defensiveness
Trajectory

Am I wrong in my summation?

JJH, what is the most compelling part of mastina's wall for you?

[Shadoweh]

I've probably changed my mind about Kerset. Hito's still scum though? Why aren't more people voting him???

because I don’t think you ever explained that

I dunno why I have to explain it tbh, no one is townreading him so people obviously don't think he's very town but people aren't voting him. I didn't like his post voting Chemist for uh, calling me town, I guess that's a bit biased on my part but it felt bizzare to me. I don't know how to explain it, person comes in, posts 'i am reading this person' 'okay i think they're town', I don't get why you'd vote them for this as a big deal. If you look at your own reads you'll see voting him to be full of kibou!! ✩⃛( ͒ ु•·̫• ू ͒)

I don't think I've really seen much from Bitmap besides arguing with Mastina, talking about RC, townreading Klick and scumreading Jingle, but I'd be interested to see if someone can prove me wrong.

that seems like a lot of stuff to me???? pour qoi is this not zutto sufficient?

Stop wasting time crossvoting tbh, I also can't remember what mastina's done besides call Bitmap scum, but that might be because my eyes are kiri ni naruing over these posts. I'm not voting for mastina or Bitmap, I think this is distracting in general.

[Klick]

Several external people have acknowledged that Bitmap has reason to feel upset by how he's been pushed around in the thread, independent of his reaction. That should at least make his reaction here a plausible town reaction.

I think the idea that Bitmap isn't actually feeling the 'persecution complex' and it's all just a scum ploy is a bit silly.

[Jingle]

Stop wasting time crossvoting tbh, I also can't remember what mastina's done besides call Bitmap scum, but that might be because my eyes are kiri ni naruing over these posts. I'm not voting for mastina or Bitmap, I think this is distracting in general.

Disagree. I think this fight is going to be crucial to the victory of town. I doubt either of them ends up being the lynch today, but the fight itself should be incredibly valuable BECAUSE it's polarizing.

[Bitmap]

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

Have you ever played with RC before?

[jjh927]

JJH, what is the most compelling part of mastina's wall for you?

I mean, the thing that switched my focus was the rather extensive list of discredits, especially with the context of Bitmap going straight to discrediting me the second I made clear he was still very much on my scumpile.

[jjh927]

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

Have you ever played with RC before?

Yes. You are not RC

[Jingle]

Several external people have acknowledged that Bitmap has reason to feel upset by how he's been pushed around in the thread, independent of his reaction. That should at least make his reaction here a plausible town reaction.

I think the idea that Bitmap isn't actually feeling the 'persecution complex' and it's all just a scum ploy is a bit silly.

Posts like this are why Klick is obvtown AF, btw.

Also, the post where she immediately gave literally the only person on her team that would have relevant thoughts on me's thoughts if that person was looking at the game from a town POV.