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[Alisae]

what is voting GE actually do?
What is that actually going to accomplish

[Alisae]

the last time he posted on site in general was in this game.

[Alisae]

Mena why don't you check this?

[Menalque]

okay, flipside: what if his site posting in general is indicative of his alignment?

[Menalque]

wait I need to check site rules, 1 sec

[Menalque]

gamma is alive in multiple games but his activity only tails off sitewide after this game starts

[Alisae]

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[Alisae]

ah fuck I forgot quote tags lmfao

[Menalque]

Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not,

it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative.

And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'.

But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in

.

you mean this right? why is this scum!indicative for mastina?

if we strike through all the irrelevant why does this seem like bullshit

just cause it's vague?

she always scumreads me and according to my team, I need to see what posts she got that townread from to validate if she's scum or town >_<

idk why this is more indicative of her being scum vs her just getting better at reading you but I agree that I want her to say which posts and be more specific

I'm not persuaded that mastina being vague and wordy is +scum for her or TMI

[Alisae]

my point was, if "Zoraster is alive in 4 games and is posting in those games, but he hasn't posted here in 3 days." is valid, then "Zoraster is alive in 4 games and is not posting in those games, and he hasn't posted here in 3 days." is also valid. no?

[Menalque]

yeah I think so, I wanted to check if my thing was permissible to say as well, and I'm p sure it was

[Menalque]

gamma is alive in multiple games but his activity only tails off sitewide after this game starts

that this wasn't substantive, I mean

[Alisae]

hope it is or prey that the penguin gods won't get you

[Alisae]

anyhow, his last post was the 4th and now its the 5th

[Menalque]

[ofrhz]

hito can be town

Why do you townread hito?

[Alisae]

mena what are you doing with your vote?

[Jingle]

hito can be town

Why do you townread hito?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Menalque]

I think he's been solvy throughout the game, I liked how he went about sorting klick in that long breakdown

I like his position on mastina/bitmap too bc I think it's nuanced in a way that is likely to be town -- saying he'd most likely vote bitmap if he had to despite being able to see the way in which bitmap could be town reacting emotionally while still calling mastina town

idk I think scum would probably not have that much depth to it? could be wrong, but equally there's only 3 scum so he can be town for now

[Menalque]

mena what are you doing with your vote?

tryna get a wagon going on gamma I think

[hitogoroshi]

mastina 703

bleeds

town, c'mon y'all.

I've probably changed my mind about Kerset. Hito's still scum though? Why aren't more people voting him???

because I don’t think you ever explained that

I dunno why I have to explain it tbh, no one is townreading him so people obviously don't think he's very town but people aren't voting him. I didn't like his post voting Chemist for uh, calling me town, I guess that's a bit biased on my part but it felt bizzare to me. I don't know how to explain it, person comes in, posts 'i am reading this person' 'okay i think they're town', I don't get why you'd vote them for this as a big deal. If you look at your own reads you'll see voting him to be full of kibou!! ✩⃛( ͒ ु•·̫• ू ͒)

I don't think I've really seen much from Bitmap besides arguing with Mastina, talking about RC, townreading Klick and scumreading Jingle, but I'd be interested to see if someone can prove me wrong.

that seems like a lot of stuff to me???? pour qoi is this not zutto sufficient?

Stop wasting time crossvoting tbh, I also can't remember what mastina's done besides call Bitmap scum, but that might be because my eyes are kiri ni naruing over these posts. I'm not voting for mastina or Bitmap, I think this is distracting in general.

Obviously I am biased but like, this is a really terrible post right? Bitmap vs. mastina is the fire at the heart of things, and Shadoweh has the soft condemn of "I think we should ignore it" and at least kinda-sorta implying it's TVT - but without hard comitting to a TR on either one, reaching out to one side or the other, trying to peel voters off their wagons (if no one likes me, that should be pretty doable!), whatever. Instead she's just lamenting that it's taking oxygen away from my wagon, but still doing barely anything to push it beyond lamenting that it's not pushing itself. Especially don't like that the one point she does bring up is the chemist vote from forever ago - feels more like something she squirreled away from back when she posted her reads list than what earnestly came top of mind now. As someone who

actually

doesn't want mastina or Bitmap as the lynch today, this feels a lot more like someone saying they don't want to be seen on either one while being actually quite happy that this distraction is happening.

Klick 719 is great and if I hadn't unvoted already I would have then. I'll even give Jingle a point for 724 pointing out how good 719 was.

mechanical spec is pretty silly rn and probably mostly serves to give scum a hint of what role information

you're

working with. Probably don't do it!

I'm fairly confident I'll obvtown as game goes on; I just don't think I've obvtowned

yet

which makes the TRs on me TMIy or just bad

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Dunno what to tell ya boss; been playing over a decade and someone making an obstinate comment about "I'll switch when I'm ready!" and then blank-voting because someone asked them do in the

same minute

is just really good. A lot of the best tells are the ones that happened very quick in real-life time; this is part of why twilight can be so strong for getting good reads. Even knowing I'm looking for it makes it only partially exploitable for scum; it just fundamentally takes more time to run your view through the fake prism you're maintaining, and scum trying to instant-agree to fake this towntell risk it exploding pretty bad if it doesn't actually mesh with their previous gestalt. Just take the W my dude

if I get a response to the question I asked her earlier then I'll see if I can tie it up and present it to you with a nice bow and a ribbon.
What color would you like the bow and ribbon to be?

I guess if I condensed my mastina-town feelings it'd be:
a.) aiming for Bitmap when she had plenty of runway to explicitly ignore him
b.) putting in all of that effort when the game has so many weak wagons
c.) 703 being so explicit about why she's deferring the read

So if you think I'm wrong, those are some of the specific lenses I'd be evaluating meta cases with. Though I'm gonna be real with you that it'd have to be some pretty damning meta to make me want to vote mastina at this point.


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big ups: mastina, menal, alisae
medium ups: klick
small ups: jingle, ofr (nothing really special on either of them they've just had posts that feel actually-trying-to-sort more than the names below them)
meh: chemist
grr: jj
arg: shadoweh
deferring for now: gamma (though I do think lurker callouts are a little more legitimate when there are three teammates helping keep you accountable, so maybe grr tier just for that), kerset

bitmap not on tier list because it's so contingent on gauging emotional state. his push is clearly unreasonable and inconsistent w/r/t his earlier position of "I will ignore mastina as a game entity to just make a bunch of snipes about her competency, even though assuming that she's attempting to play competently is effectively calling her town" but the question is whether we would expect that inconsistency from a townie who felt aggrieved.

Wanted to just heavily re-index on Shadoweh when she moved off or pushed harder on me, but the fact that she's not doing either even as she bemoans the wagon that's happening instead is enough for me at this point. Plus getting my blood up a little seems more productive than the shitshow we got going now

VOTE: Shadoweh

[Alisae]

mena what are you doing with your vote?

tryna get a wagon going on gamma I think

what do you think thats going to convince him to post

[Alisae]

ok hito my plan is to ask questions then prep a case
thats what my team is yelling at me to do anyway eeeeeeeeeek cases are scummy lul

[Menalque]

mena what are you doing with your vote?

tryna get a wagon going on gamma I think

what do you think thats going to convince him to post

that's not necessarily what I'm trying to achieve here but again, don't really wanna say more on this rn bc it actively goes against what I'm trying to achieve

[Alisae]

yes ur trying to apply pressure we know