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[Flavor Leaf]

are scum necessarily proactive though?

I'm pretty certain that Volpe is town, just kinda hitting the overly paranoid town that tends to drown out the game
nomnomnom is pretty firmly in her townrange I think

there's not a crazy amount of people that are being very proactive about the game otherwise unless you're partially referring to people that are more midrange

Apparently, Volpe is good scum, I’ve never seen it, though. I can fake paranoia better than I can show real paranoia. I didn’t like the early parts of Flavor vs Volpe and there’s a part of me that thinks his death tunnel was completely fake, but I’ve backed off from that because most people seem to think he’s town, so I’m just kinda slightly lean towning volpe from it for now.

[Ankamius]

Ankamius

Volpe14/Farkran/nomnomnom

DeasVail/

Flavor Leaf

/davesaz/

Almost50

Gammagooey/MariaR/chennisden/GuyInFreezer
Vex Vience/Volxen/kuribo/Dr Easy Bake
Elements/EspressoPatronum

I'm not budging on these reads right away

I can maybe be convinced on davesaz or deasvail, but I haven't seen any real reason to think I'm wrong on davesaz based on what's been posted so far; deasvail more because I don't actually understand his playstyle like I do the others (and in farkran's case, I think he fits enough of the general mold I have for logic styled players that I'm ok being confident in it for now)

everyone on the line below that I'm open to being wrong on

next one is null line

elements and EP are weak scumreads

[Flavor Leaf]

oh farkran

I guess it's possible he's scum if I'm just hitting my "can't read logic" stride, but I don't think I'm willing to humor that until I have a reason to

chenn maybe?

Yeah, I could see either of them as scum in the long run. I don’t have any lock town reads as of right now, but i have a bunch of lean towns, and a lack of major scum reads.

Fakran was the first player this game that felt off for me, like I said, scum Brian skies like, Chennisden was the 2nd, which lead to my Volpe push.

Chennisden also was really weird in the early Volpe vs FL, but I think Chenn is just a weird dude.

[Ankamius]

are scum necessarily proactive though?

I'm pretty certain that Volpe is town, just kinda hitting the overly paranoid town that tends to drown out the game
nomnomnom is pretty firmly in her townrange I think

there's not a crazy amount of people that are being very proactive about the game otherwise unless you're partially referring to people that are more midrange

Apparently, Volpe is good scum, I’ve never seen it, though. I can fake paranoia better than I can show real paranoia. I didn’t like the early parts of Flavor vs Volpe and there’s a part of me that thinks his death tunnel was completely fake, but I’ve backed off from that because most people seem to think he’s town, so I’m just kinda slightly lean towning volpe from it for now.

Volpe snowed me completely on baton pass, but I don't see the same Volpe there as I do here

namely the tone is very different this game

[Flavor Leaf]

elements and EP are weak scumreads

Interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s my neighborhood.

[Ankamius]

I'm actually reasonably confident that the major conflicts are either TvT or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

it's more productive to look on the outliers for that and see who's working the sides of it than anything

this reminds me that chenn mentioned stuff about this that would indicate town although I'd need to double check to lock that

[Ankamius]

That’s my neighborhood.

this wasn't necessary...

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it was. You’re main scum reads are my neighbors, who I think are townie, but I’m easily pocketed if done correctly.

[Ankamius]

if the pieces are falling into place properly, GIF/Deas/Gamma/'lurkers'/EP/elements should probably have the scumteam

I'm struggling to see most of the other players fitting into this right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you town read A50?

[Ankamius]

Anyway here's my read until the aforementioned re-evaluation. I will only list whether I think they're town or not, "not" being null - scum range. Strength of townread not included on purpose.

Ankamius - T

Dr Easy Bake -

Flavor Leaf -

davesaz - T

chennisden -

Vex Vience - T
Volxen -

MariaR -

Gammagooey - T
DeasVail -
kuribo - Just wanna call this T for absolutely no reason at all tbh.
GuyInFreezer - T
Elements -

Volpe14 - T

EspressoPatronum -

Almost50 - T

Farkran - T

nomnomnom -

I'm not entirely sure what to make of this

GIF is a high value flip I think, although I necessarily believe it is much higher value as a nightkill than a lynch if it's early enough

but this is something that should be gone back to if GIF ever flips scum

[Ankamius]

Why do you town read A50?

I'm not as confident I can read him as before, but I don't think I'm entirely wrong that he can be read based on a combination of what he talks about and how he talks about it

and I'm seeing generally good takes with the impression that he believes what he's saying

that's good enough for me on D1

[Flavor Leaf]

GIF’s never getting night killed, Ank.

He controls a commuter neighborhood with RC/NSG clout.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why do you town read A50?

I'm not as confident I can read him as before, but I don't think I'm entirely wrong that he can be read based on a combination of what he talks about and how he talks about it

and I'm seeing generally good takes with the impression that he believes what he's saying

that's good enough for me on D1

I have 100% read accuracy on reading scum A50, through multiple games. Usually it slaps me in the face.

[Ankamius]

then I sure as fuck hope that people properly put that slot under scrutiny because I'm becoming less and less sure over time that I'll be around to do it myself when it matters

[Flavor Leaf]

So scumA50 would be completely weary of me. I caught him and Garmr once day 4 when they were both deep wolves, and i came out of nowhere after not playing essentially the entire game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like GIF’s scaring us into town reading him, if that makes sense.

[Ankamius]

I'll be back later

I have work shortly

[Flavor Leaf]

No worries. I should sleep

[Farkran]

I'm actually reasonably confident that the major conflicts are either TvT or irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

it's more productive to look on the outliers for that and see who's working the sides of it than anything

Eh... this is one of the scummiest posts in the whole thread so far, and i just realized your 1815 readlist is almost literally a post count list. I don't believe that this analysis comes from town, nor does your progression.

I'm kinda fed up with trying to lead wagons though, i feel i am getting nowhere and i'd like to coordinate something instead. I don't want to get paranoid over my hard townreads so, questions:

1. Is the wagon on elements really relevant? @GIF, @daves
2. Do we still believe nom is scum? @volpe, @daves
3. What do we make of FL and Anka? Are they worth wagoning? @volpe, GIF, daves

I mean the "town is eating town" theory is not appealing. At all. Even moreso in team mafia.

[Farkran]

^ above questions may also be addressed at vex vience, deasvail and chennis, actually

[Elements]

What are your thoughts on volpe again?

[Farkran]

Townread

[Elements]

For why?