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[Farkran]

I find the content of his posts absolute garbage but that's just me.

You know, this is actually concerning. I am usually thrown much more shit than i am here for my playstyle, and that's when i am usually correct.

Besides, i feel like you're still salty about my push on you more than anything. Are you willing to put that away and try to point out why i am wrong? Just don't speak about yourself and i'm fine - tell me which of my other reads/interpretations are wrong

No I think that your arguments are generally really bad and that you need to retune your reading skills because it's really concerning if you're town

Tell me why, don't settle on "generally wrong"

Tell me how your reasoning is better than mine, why am i a bad townplayer compared to you? What should i look for in other people's post? What did you find that i did not?

[nomnomnom]

I never made any comparisons I just think you Volpe and Chennis make mountains on completely asinine things and miss out the more general gamestate at hand. It's like being at a football stadium and looking at your feet instead of the game itself. That's how I feel about your posts.

[nomnomnom]

Like if you were to look at the general gamestate which player seems the weirder in terms of their posting and expresses the most dissonance when given enough time?

That's what you should be looking at, not "HERE IS HOW YOU SHOULD HAVE FELT".

[Farkran]

I never made any comparisons I just think you Volpe and Chennis make mountains on completely asinine things and miss out the more general gamestate at hand. It's like being at a football stadium and looking at your feet instead of the game itself. That's how I feel about your posts.

Well, you just said multiple times that i suck, so you probably think you, or at least some other people, are better than me at doing things.

Can you tell me why? What is this general gamestate you're talking about? Spend some time trying to help town rather than shitting on me - even if i don't get what you're saying because i'm an idiot, someone else might

[Farkran]

Like if you were to look at the general gamestate

which player seems the weirder in terms of their posting and expresses the most dissonance

when given enough time?

That's what you should be looking at, not "HERE IS HOW YOU SHOULD HAVE FELT".

Bolded part, for instance. Who is that? And why? Which posts should i look to see what you see?

[nomnomnom]

Obviously I am in a better position to analyze the gamestate given I am on the hotseat and I know I am town, so it's a bit "easier" in terms that I can analyze how people interact with my lynch's prospects, and people are letting it happening which gives me a specific gamestate to analyze.

That kind of thing must be harder in your spot but it's sure hell of a lot better than the stuff you told about my slot yesterday. I legit got angered by one or two posts.

pedit: My vote is where I think there's the most dissonance so far, aka GIF. I think what he did early on and what he's doing now is indicating a scum mindset, as in letting a lynch go on rather than actively contributing, which is a scummy thing to do. Read his ISO. This is why I'm on GIF.

[MariaR]

Wow, I would have thought Maria had played enough games with me to not be so completely wrong about what to expect.

You aren’t a player that really leaves a lasting impression on me on how you play nor do you seem like someone that has one set play. So I really don’t remember how you act in ‘x’ game but I don’t think that would change my viewpoint on you even if I did considering my arguments aren’t meta based

How does it negate his statement before? I read it as separating what could be a scumtell from one player and a towntell from other players. Different profiles can react diffently when put in a identical context. It's not a trait that i would townread daves for, but i wouldn't scumread him out of it either. It's reachy.

He’s basically saying (at least how I am reading it) that the way chenn is posting is something that would normally be scummy or at least he can understand why people sr chenn. Yet if someone else posted the way Chenn is he’d scumread them for it. Am I correct on this or? Like, just that doesn’t sit right to me because it doesn’t go into defending Chenn or talking more about the people who are going for Chenn. It just gives a blanket statement of defense while not doing anything.

I mean, walls aren't inherently townier than short posts, nor is a wallcase particularly hard to fake - it's long and tedious, but not particularly hard. I find it harder to put up a fake town mindset in trying to sort people, rather than biasing yourself towards looking for potential mislynches. The latter is what i was seeing in chennis post, whereas daves' rang true.

I agree with the former part of this quote that I forgot to quote that I’m probably a bit bias in the fact that I consider myself such a good scum player combining that with team mafia maybe my expectations are a bit high. Like if I saw an ‘easy’ scumread or reason to scumread someone I would probably give it pause (like the Ank example from before) I also agree that walls and effort are pretty NAI. The part I want to know is what examples from dave/chen do you find dif because our reads are exactly the other way around where I see Chenn as ya know, doing things. Compared to Dave who is playing to get an advantage.

[MariaR]

I understand chenn’s Post and see why those things are interpreted that way but they are the type of things I’d townread that player for. So far anyway the game is young.

Might agree with scumreading others for that

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What does this even mean?

This bolded sentence? You do poorly in English? It means that I strongly disagreed with that specific post from chenn because whatever chenn was scumreading someone for was something that I think that individual would do as town. Other people posting the same thing might be scummy. It's just as clear as what I wrote. Two people post the same thing, one person it would be scummy another person it wouldn't be.

That’s what I thought, so I just don’t understand why you didn’t expand on this further. Like, I see you asking questions but where’s the follow up? Your thoughts lead one way but I don’t see more to that.

Of course it's generic. Sometimes it helps to be subtle.
"Hey dude did you just chainsaw that guy?" isn't going to get the same kind of answer.

Okay you know what fair enough. I can agree with this. That wasn’t really the impression I was getting at first but, it makes sense.

I suspect FL pretty strongly tbh.

Alright, let’s talk about this then because us going on and off on each other with a debate on a read will probably get nowhere and I’m not gonna be Vope/FL 2.0. FL is someone I don’t have a confident read on right now and since you’re a SR of mine I’d love to hear more about this coming from you.

Huh, that wasn't nearly as awful as I expected going into this

[MariaR]

I think I'm not gonna read the pages I missed cause if I do I'll drive myself mentally insane and put myself in an even worse spot than I wanted to be in coming into this game. As annoying as that is. I might check it in more moderation, but if it's anything like my last catch up it's blatantly a waste of my time.

[nomnomnom]

I think I'm not gonna read the pages I missed cause if I do I'll drive myself mentally insane and put myself in an even worse spot than I wanted to be in coming into this game. As annoying as that is. I might check it in more moderation, but if it's anything like my last catch up it's blatantly a waste of my time.

I'd probably skip my own posts if you do decided to go through these

[chennisden]

It's explicitly a waste of time, you didn't miss much

[Ankamius]

My jumping in point was like 5 pages ago maria

[Farkran]

That kind of thing must be harder in your spot but it's sure hell of a lot better than the stuff you told about my slot yesterday. I legit got angered by one or two posts.

Would've been scummy if you didn't. I believed in what i pushed, because i still think that stuff about the hood was scummy, but i worded my posts very aggressively on purpose. If you didn't get mad, i would've thought that you agreed with me despite forcing yourself to say you didn't (because you would be scum in this scenario). Fiercely refuting my scumcase is what made me unvote. This only works once though, and it's not as townlock-worthy as i hoped it would. I am placing you in a better light though, and much more willing to reread the game from town!nom pov

pedit: My vote is where I think there's the most dissonance so far, aka GIF. I think what he did early on and what he's doing now is indicating a scum mindset, as in letting a lynch go on rather than actively contributing, which is a scummy thing to do. Read his ISO. This is why I'm on GIF.

I have GIF as hard town, but to be honest i forgot why in the middle of the elements/nom/volpe argument. I will review his ISO in a short while. Your main scumcase against him is that he is ignoring highest wagons and/or general consensus about the current gamestate?

Does this mean that you're associating him with the current lynch targets such as... elements, mostly (because the other one is you)? Or do you mean he is content with any lynch as long as it isn't him or his partners? Why would scum!GIF not join a wagon against town in this case?

[Farkran]

@maria i will read your posts carefully in a while, need to take a showrr and prepare for dinner rn

[nomnomnom]

That kind of thing must be harder in your spot but it's sure hell of a lot better than the stuff you told about my slot yesterday. I legit got angered by one or two posts.

Would've been scummy if you didn't. I believed in what i pushed, because i still think that stuff about the hood was scummy, but i worded my posts very aggressively on purpose. If you didn't get mad, i would've thought that you agreed with me despite forcing yourself to say you didn't (because you would be scum in this scenario). Fiercely refuting my scumcase is what made me unvote. This only works once though, and it's not as townlock-worthy as i hoped it would. I am placing you in a better light though, and much more willing to reread the game from town!nom pov

pedit: My vote is where I think there's the most dissonance so far, aka GIF. I think what he did early on and what he's doing now is indicating a scum mindset, as in letting a lynch go on rather than actively contributing, which is a scummy thing to do. Read his ISO. This is why I'm on GIF.

I have GIF as hard town, but to be honest i forgot why in the middle of the elements/nom/volpe argument. I will review his ISO in a short while. Your main scumcase against him is that he is ignoring highest wagons and/or general consensus about the current gamestate?

Does this mean that you're associating him with the current lynch targets such as... elements, mostly (because the other one is you)? Or do you mean he is content with any lynch as long as it isn't him or his partners? Why would scum!GIF not join a wagon against town in this case?

It's better for scum to let bad situations continue rather than actively fueling the fire, it's plausible deniability. Hell sometimes it's even better to take the opposite stance if you know the lynch target is for sure getting lynched. It's not worth pushing for lynches as scum except if you have a very good reason for it. The only reason I can see right now for a scum player to hard push a lynch is to get rid of them in their neighborhood, so they can nightkill the other person in the hood, and gain a free ability from their hood.

[MariaR]

Gif is the topic atm? Gif is like, annoying. Mostly because he played his hand in the worst way he possibly could. I already went into detail why that is, but I don't think he should be the day 1 lynch regardless.

[Farkran]

???

This is another moment where I feel like people aren't reading my posts

Please tell me where i am wrong, with examples and explanations

Poke at this, will read later

[Ankamius]

Gif is the topic atm? Gif is like, annoying. Mostly because he played his hand in the worst way he possibly could. I already went into detail why that is, but I don't think he should be the day 1 lynch regardless.

What did you want to talk about

I kinda want to answer farkran this way because otherwise I'd just be spending hours digging through my own iso and that doesn't seem like a good use of time

[MariaR]

Gif is the topic atm? Gif is like, annoying. Mostly because he played his hand in the worst way he possibly could. I already went into detail why that is, but I don't think he should be the day 1 lynch regardless.

What did you want to talk about

I kinda want to answer farkran this way because otherwise I'd just be spending hours digging through my own iso and that doesn't seem like a good use of time

I didn't really have anything specific in find to talk about, I just wanted to talk about something. I feel like that's probably gonna be my best way of reading you is through one on one interaction. I can come up with a few topics if that's easier

[Ankamius]

Yeah it would

I've felt like I've been reading a different game than anyone else so that would probably help me ground myself more

[Farkran]

Reading ankamius ISO doesn't take hours so you may talk about that

See my 1898 for reference

[MariaR]

You mean you also feel like people have been having arguments and you're just staring at it going 'what the fuck how did you even get that opinion?' or is that just me. There's been a lot of talk about certain slots like nom gif etc.
How do you feel about the less talked slots such as DV/Almost50/Goo/Kuri?
How do you feel about the game right now
and lastly how are you
pedit: Oh boy am I about to read an Ank case how fun.

[Ankamius]

Can I rain check that for a couple hours maria?

[MariaR]

Of course by all means.

[Ankamius]

Yeah farkran has never seen me play before so... yeah