Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

eh i don't know how true that is honestly. i'm more concerned with the wagon development on them but I guess plums recent posting was kinda town

[RadiantCowbells]

let's just vig xtoxm 4head

[RadiantCowbells]

if they didn't make such an attempt to overjustify the sheeping me i would have townread that entrance a lot but i feel like it was just too overworded if that makes sense

[MathBlade]

VOTE: flopz xtoxm there's like a near 0% chance we have a vig

Hey when you get a chance you got a lot of questions.

Not sure why you’re ducky popular.

If we have a vig I hope they are smart with it. I don’t have any reason why or why not there would be a Vig but I was hoping threat of Vig would make people show up.

@implosion — Can you poke/replace Xtomz

[RadiantCowbells]

vaguely, assuming ari is scum, i'm assuming 1/2 {plum/tris} from his rule of 3 and 1/3 {xtoxm iconeum flopz}

[MathBlade]

i don't like, outright townread flopz, but i think the odds of scum having this entrance are significantly lower than the odds of the majority of other potential poe slots being scum

Iirc Flopz was in your scumpool yeah?

You won’t vote Ari you won’t vote Flopz? What gives? Like I get the instinct thing but like playing differently and just not voting anyone in your scumpool is a stretch. First Ari, now Flopz?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

VOTE: Ari

truthfully I don't want to see anyone but Ari lynched at the moment so they won't be getting my vote and I'm kinda just waiting trying to solve around him.

I guess I can place that vote if it will talk you off of the ledge.

[MathBlade]

vaguely, assuming ari is scum, i'm assuming 1/2 {plum/tris} from his rule of 3 and 1/3 {xtoxm iconeum flopz}

Or he broke Rule of Three or Ari is town. Rule of three isn’t always accurate. It’s a guideline not a mandate.

For newer players
Rule of three = anytime scum give a list of three or more people as scum more often than not one or more is (but not always true)

[RadiantCowbells]

he didn't break rule of 3, i know the surrounding tone well enough + the focus on the fact that he "already has good reads already"

at least one of that set of 3 is scum if he is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

like he as scum wouldn't talk about how he has good reads already and then give a solve that contained 0 scum. I would absolutely do that as scum. Aristophanes would not.

[MathBlade]

like he as scum wouldn't talk about how he has good reads already and then give a solve that contained 0 scum. I would absolutely do that as scum. Aristophanes would not.

I am reaaaaaaaallly trying here but you’re kinda fuelin my paranoia here with that statement. Lunch break is over I gotta head back but hopefully Ari comes back soon.

[RadiantCowbells]

yeah no that shouldn't fuel your paranoia at all. scum who talk about how good their reads are at a point in the game are generally bussing at the time. scum who talk about how uncertain their reads are are generally voting townies.

this isn't as effective against stronger players but I've caught tons of stronger scum players off of the ISOs of their weaker scum players using logic like this.

[RadiantCowbells]

stuff like this is pretty much my forte as town, i basically never end up incorrectly interpreting data points like this. I'm very unlikely to be wrong unless I'm wrong on Aristophanes being scum in the first place

which is why I'm more interested in flipping Ari and confirming my general gamestate read than going after his potential partners because I think the game becomes a lot easier with his flip

[MathBlade]

yeah no that shouldn't fuel your paranoia at all. scum who talk about how good their reads are at a point in the game are generally bussing at the time. scum who talk about how uncertain their reads are are generally voting townies.

this isn't as effective against stronger players but I've caught tons of stronger scum players off of the ISOs of their weaker scum players using logic like this.

The part that fueled my paranoia was that it wasn’t an Ari thing it’s an RC one. Fueling paranoia of you coaching Ari to do a list with no scum that you could puppet later after a bus of Ari.

[MathBlade]

Especially Ari could have said “Hey Raybells you gotta take this as Plotz is new and I am on VLA. How can I set you up?”

(Paraphrase)

That is something that could be a thing. You feed him to buddy me and then tell him break rule of three.

That is my paranoia.

[RadiantCowbells]

The part that fueled my paranoia was that it wasn’t an Ari thing it’s an RC one. Fueling paranoia of you coaching Ari to do a list with no scum that you could puppet later after a bus of Ari.

Ok.

Here's the thing

I am never

ever

ever

ever

ever

EVER

living to endgame in this lobby.

If scum are virtue signalling not being afraid of me, they're still terrified of NSG because she's the strongest town player in TM and eventually she is going to start contributing reads.
If scum are all too old guard to know who either of us are to respect us they are still going to be afraid of GuyInFreezer because he is also an incredibly strong town player.

The paranoia against me has already started and I think the format of TM basically makes the paranoia 5 fold because I think as soon as 1 member of a team gets paranoid the entire team is going to as well

And I wouldn't even be able try to abuse the lack of respect that TM had for me last time because this time around enough people have at least 1 person who knows that I haven't outside of a single hydra game involving a trust tell by scum (Baton Pass) mislynched 2 town in a row this year, and even if they policy disrespect me that level of BoP applies to multiple of my teammates.

My plan as scum in this game wouldn't be to endgame, to be totally blunt, and I really really really hate playing scum right now so I would be taking advantage of the low activity to do a lot less than I am. And claiming like I did just hard doubles down on that because there's even less reason to try to argue that scum left me alive out of ~omg we can ML RC later~

so no. I get it, but no.

[MathBlade]

The problem is that there’s not a good way to figure out if you’re scum bussing or scum fail or town accurate or town fail.

I have to work now but Titus is waffling due time niceness.

You said you have partners. I understand your reluctance can they talk more about the gamestate? Do they agree with Ari scum? What are their pools like? What do they make of Flopz? Anything? Because it’s not like NSG to be tunnelvisioned. She hates that about me and something I have been working on.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok to be clear

NSG on page 3 said your townread on me was weird and that tris's tone was scummy

that is the entirety of the thoughts that she has given on this game up to this point

[MathBlade]

The problem is that there’s not a good way to figure out if you’re scum bussing or scum fail or town accurate or town fail.

I have to work now but Titus is waffling due time niceness.

You said you have partners. I understand your reluctance can they talk more about the gamestate? Do they agree with Ari scum? What are their pools like? What do they make of Flopz? Anything? Because it’s not like NSG to be tunnelvisioned. She hates that about me and something I have been working on.

Don’t know why your niceness became time niceness.

[MathBlade]

ok to be clear

NSG on page 3 said your townread on me was weird and that tris's tone was scummy

that is the entirety of the thoughts that she has given on this game up to this point

Then work with them please if you’re town.

I get you’re a hotshot but waiting around for Ari makes the game stagnate.

See if they agree with Ari scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have asked her for thoughts on this game every time she's been around and she hasn't had the time to read in depth. the moment she does you'll know about it.

[Aristophanes]

ari can you throw me a super quick tiered readlist when you next check in please

Heya!
This is all based on my outgoing thoughts when I last checked in but...

Math
TW
RC

e'rbody not listed because ???

Teacher

Skitter
Tris
Plum

[Aristophanes]

Is there still a wagon on me? I saw some votes growing as I checked out which is hilarious timing and like, not effective at all? I'll read through but like, good work wasting them votes I guess

[skitter30]

I am considering Ari is a tmi scumread from RC and Bella is a TMI townread. It’s a minor thing but if voting Ari is so useless he wouldn’t be scared/not do it but he is. And he doesn’t vote. He just posts.

i feel like rc is the last person on the planet to be scared to bus ari
i don't really get this read, he's been amping up to vote there for a while now

[skitter30]

Hiconeum

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i feel kinda ignored