Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

skitter30 · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:08 pm

In post 836, Aristophanes wrote:Also no clue what lampshading is so...

you're like highlighting the you/rc connection and it makes you seem v self-aware so it feels kinda gross

skitter30 · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:09 pm

In post 845, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 825, skitter30 wrote:honestly probably not but i kinda hate that all he's been doing this game is taking swipes at me and refusing to talk about it

also i disagree with your bella read
at the risk of picking a fight with him over this I absolutely hate what the worst has done this game. i just question whether it's actually scum indicative.

ya that's kinda what i feel like too, i'm starting to feel like he's avoiding me and i don't like it

skitter30 · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:10 pm

In post 847, RadiantCowbells wrote:could be like rce/ico but i don't know how likely i am to get mathblade to vote RCE.

where are you even like getting this from?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:10 pm

yes exactly

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:12 pm

like that's what i kinda meant by something deeper, i feel like he just isn't interested in talking to me and i've kinda been taking it personally especially with the spat about asking for anks reads but

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:13 pm

just to be clear i don't think anything on the last page is out of Ari's town meta. i don't think it clears him, but i do feel significantly less certain of him being scum

one second i'll bring up what i was looking into with RCE/Ico but I do believe I've brought up that specific pairing before

skitter30 · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:14 pm

i feel like i've tried to get him to articulate his sr on me like ~3 times now and he's not acknowledging the posts

like i'm not sure it's scummy exactly but ... it's annoying and not helping me read him

Aristophanes · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:14 pm

In post 849, RadiantCowbells wrote:sigh i'm not sure ari is scum anymore and pretty much all the time from then to now was wasted time because I was predicating all my reads off of ari scum. welp. back to the drawing board.

I'm sorry man, should have checked in sooner

skitter30 · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:14 pm

why are we not wagoning bella again?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:15 pm

i think i can make a fairly coherent argument for why she's

not scum

, idk if i can explain why she's actually town because that's solely gut

skitter30 · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:17 pm

ok i would like to hear that then because i'm liking my vote there rn

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:19 pm

it would help if you would scumcase her so I know exactly what to address because I think it's just been kinda 'oh yeah well Bella is scum'

Aristophanes · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:21 pm

I just did a Bella Iso and I nulltown it so I lookforward to both sides here.

skitter30 · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:21 pm

- i don't get any of her votes
- including her vote on me which is basically 'i dont' like skitter's posting vote:skitter' at a time that i was a hip cool read
- i don't understand why she dropped it
- i don't understand why she's accusing math of making up a narrative around her, i can't even figure out what the narrative is
- in general i just don't track what she's doing or thinking at all

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:24 pm

to sum it up i have played with her quite extensively but like years and years ago

and i've been in several situations where she was a consensus scumread and i was just kinda like well i don't see why people scumread her and she feels kinda towny to me but like
i don't really have strong enough reasons to want to fight the town consensus on her and she gets lynched and flips town and i'm like well sigh.

like i can't say for sure that she's town but i feel like those are things that i've seen her accused of as town pretty often as town

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:25 pm

and honestly i feel like naked dropping and then naked removing a vote are towntells

the narrative thing I do actually kind of get? mathblade's push on Bella assumed a bunch of stuff that just wasn't true and had a bunch of sorta progression assumed that wasn't present and i'm not surprised she reacted that way

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:30 pm

In post 657, MathBlade wrote:No? That doesn’t answer the question. It ignores it with a “my bad” (paraphrase tone read mine)

It says she feels bad for making it? She didn’t say what her through process was just that she disliked the fact she made it. She didn’t address the question she went “whoops my bad” ignoring the point behind the question and then continues votes are bad.

No effort as to why. It’s like she expects because she said so she can just sidestep whenever someone makes valid complaints. It’s ugly.

Assuming that she is then town and I take her at her word that it is a “my bad” then what is left of the original post?

Does she reevaluate? Anything?

No she votes me for pressuring her when I brought up very valid points about her lack of connectivity with another “I gave an excuse why won’t you take it?”

@teacher even assuming this counts as a valid reply what do you make of her asking for worst by name?

i think most people respond to this with a vote if it's directed at them, honestly.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:33 pm

mega sigh.

skitter30 · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:33 pm

i don't really have any experience with her, as far as i know

i don't think that the naked votes/unvotes are townie tbh, it kinda makes me feel like there isn't a clear/consistent thought process that they're using to read the game; that's one of the key ways i try to read people and when i can't track what they're doing and why it makes me kinda dubious, and i just don't really see a consistent underlying narrative/approach under her posts/pushes/votes

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:35 pm

I'm... kinda realizing that it's going to be very hard to give any evidence that is going to mean a whole lot to you or Mathblade for why Bellaphant is town.
Actually it's kind of funny because you're both the rational thinkers and it's very hard to make a rational argument for this.

Aristophanes · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:36 pm

The one thing that makes me raise an eyebrow at Bella is this here:

In post 426, Bellaphant wrote:(I'd vote for plum but my teammates like that they chatted to their team about ari. I'm thinking about it.)

It's a little LAMIST but very subtly and a subtly yet explicit LAMIST is kinda the on point play I'd expect from Bella scum.

But I'm sure I'm reading too much into it.

skitter30 · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:37 pm

sorry i just don't really see it :/

that's kinda my preferred vote rn but you can maybe sell me on ico?
i don't see the rce/ico thing either and i don't think you brought it up before tonight

pedit @rc

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:38 pm

You're correct I never brought it up publicly at least based on a peripheral ctrl-F of the game

skitter30 · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:40 pm

i can see scum!ico

i think rce is townie

i don't think i see the associative that you're talking about

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:43 pm

In post 328, RCEnigma wrote:Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.

In post 335, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 332, Iconeum wrote:
In post 328, RCEnigma wrote:Yes Ico. I kind of want to put you as weak town for the post you threw down a plum vote but I'm gonna put a pin in that.
hmm? do you townread me for that or not? don't hedge your read like this plz
I read you for it. Don't put this pressure on me.

This specifically

oh yeah I don't plan to play mafia anymore I can out more strategies to read people
there's a scumtell that i'm going to officially name right now 'instantaneous implied continuity'
it's when someone makes a statement that clearly takes place at a discrete time but tries to force continuity in it
it doesn't work for all players and situations but often when it pops up in certain players isos who usually don't do anything like that as town it's a smoking gun
and in this specific instance i think it both points to RcE scum and Ico being their partner with the hedge