White Flag - TM2020

Formerfish · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:40 pm

I'm fed. I'm showered. And as soon as I repack this piece in front of me I'm going to be present for a reread if anyone is interested in danding.

Dunnstral · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:06 pm

In post 274, Espeonage wrote:So I've found two scum which is enough to win the game. Auro and Dunn are both scum kthxbi

ice cold take

Dunnstral · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:19 pm

In post 262, KittyMo wrote:
In post 162, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:This post is weird when you posted this earlier:
What makes it weird?

First you posted the following:

In post 91, gobbledygook wrote:1) I wanted to understand the types of players in this game. I wanted to see if it was going to be a lot of people with big personalities or people who thought highly of themselves a la RC/Mastina/Kuribo, etc. It appears that this playerlist is not like that at all, judging from the responses. Save for probably Dongempire.
I think that the above response implies a disdain for these types of players.
A short while later, replying to something else, you post the following:

In post 98, gobbledygook wrote:I'm just tired of being the day 1 lynch. It's been like 6 games now and its uber frustrating because I would say I am above 60% for catching scum but it doesn't matter people just do not understand me and kill me.
Which is you thinking highly of yourself, which is a sort of lack of self awareness. And that's weird.
I can't tell if you actually think this is scummy or this is just a point where you're not getting his mindset and are kinda just looking into it, but the way it's presented seems like more of a "gotcha" than I think it deserves to be. You can wait til he comes back or not to talk about it more, it just is something I want to discuss.

I think 91 is more likely to be a faked post because of 98, and that his omgus behavior when he seems to acknowledge that people don't get him and kill him doesn't really make sense to me

In post 259, Auro wrote:the lack of meaningful engagement is a good enough reason to scumread someone, no?

Unfortunately no

In post 271, Auro wrote:Yes. I think the scenario where Duck makes up a small reason to suspect me and has Damn post it is ess plausible than Duck actually telling him to keep an eye on me,

Well if he's town, then his teammate acts one way, if he's scum then his teammate acts the other way, right? Or are you saying that Duck wouldn't bother with that if he were scum?

In post 275, Formerfish wrote:I'm fed. I'm showered. And as soon as I repack this piece in front of me I'm going to be present for a reread if anyone is interested in danding.

Is gobble vote-worthy in your eyes, why or why not?

In post 268, Espeonage wrote:
In post 9, gobbledygook wrote:@everyone, why did everyone choose this game?
Didn't was meant to be in Large Theme. Someone on my blacklist was in there so I didn't get put there and our allocations were shuffled and now I'm in one of my least favourite setups commonly played.

All you have to do is scumhunt, you don't have to worry about the mechanics of the setup at all

Espeonage · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:10 pm

Like yeah true, but it's a horrible setup.

Lets take mountainous and make it easier for scum by adding an exploitable mechanic.

Espeonage · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:12 pm

In post 276, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 274, Espeonage wrote:So I've found two scum which is enough to win the game. Auro and Dunn are both scum kthxbi
ice cold take

Which impacts its validity how?

Dannflor · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:22 pm

can I get an expansion on scum!auro?

Dannflor · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:22 pm

@espeonage

Espeonage · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:24 pm

Questions are framed to find a way out of suspicion rather than getting a level of understanding which is a scum mindset v town mindset thing.

Dunnstral · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:29 pm

You've never seen town ask other people questions about other peoples scumread on themself?

Espeonage · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:15 pm

In post 282, Espeonage wrote:Questions
are framed to find a way out of suspicion rather than getting a level of understanding
which is a scum mindset v town mindset thing.

Dunnstral · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:45 pm

In post 283, Dunnstral wrote:You've never seen town
ask other people questions about other peoples scumread on themself?

Dannflor · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:47 pm

Espeonage can be town

FF I look forward to your catch up

wow me pls

Dunnstral · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:48 pm

That's a pretty low threshold for calling Espeonage town

Dannflor · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:51 pm

I've never played with him before, should it be a lot higher?

at this point I'm just trying to throw stuff out there and see what sticks and what doesn't because this game needs

something

to kick start it

Dannflor · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:51 pm

Duunstral, where are your not gobbledygook reads at? Unfortunately I don't really get much from your cases on him

Dannflor · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:10 pm

Holy shit these vote counts suck what the fuck

Dannflor · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:11 pm

VOTE: Cephrir

northsidegal · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:46 pm

In post 264, Auro wrote:NSG, why are you so disengaged with the game? Is it out-of-game reasons?

i've had a lot less time than i expected, sorry.

if you're worried that i'm scum you won't be worried once i get more time to play.

Auro · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:13 pm

In post 277, Dunnstral wrote:Well if he's town, then his teammate acts one way, if he's scum then his teammate acts the other way, right? Or are you saying that Duck wouldn't bother with that if he were scum?

Yeah, if they were scum I don't think they'd fake a reason for duck to tell Dann to keep an eye out for me.

Auro · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:24 pm

In post 282, Espeonage wrote:Questions are framed to find a way out of suspicion rather than getting a level of understanding which is a scum mindset v town mindset thing.

Example of such question framing?

Espeonage · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:34 pm

In post 294, Auro wrote:
In post 282, Espeonage wrote:Questions are framed to find a way out of suspicion rather than getting a level of understanding which is a scum mindset v town mindset thing.
Example of such question framing?

Auro · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:39 pm

So how would I frame that question if I wanted to gain a "level of understanding" with you, versus "wiggling out of suspicion"?

Espeonage · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:05 pm

uhhh... like that.

Like, town need to not lynch town too. And majority of players are town. So chances are if someone suspects you, you could be working better with them. So you try and get in to their head to understand why they are thinking the way they are thinking.

In post 225, Auro wrote:So you want to lynch Gobble?
Can you help me see town Cephrir?

Like this is good.

In post 219, Auro wrote:
In post 208, Cephrir wrote:My team is supporting me on the Auro suspicion
More details on why your teammates suspect me, pl0x?

This is really bad.

Do you see the difference. One is you working with someone to get in to their head to understand what they are thinking and most importantly why. The second is getting the blueprint on how to appear more town.

Auro · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:21 pm

In post 297, Espeonage wrote:This is really bad.

My intention was to test whether it was an empty statement (scum) or if there

were

legitimate reasons for teammates' concern. It wasn't to combat the reasons themselves.
Very much like my asking Dann about his teammate's thought process in asking to keep an eye on me.

It's very far from a 'blueprint on appearing town'.

Auro · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:55 pm

In post 273, KittyMo wrote:Do you mind clarifying a bit? My understanding was that your read of him was more or less the same after it, and so I was asking you if there WAS anything seemingly disingenuous about his reasoning. Or if there's anything else you don't like about how he went about it other than he's pushing your townread.

I want to say town lean, but I'm not sure.