Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy - Mastina is busy and doesn't have time to do deep dives on everyone in this game.

My team is really only commenting on people they think I'm not reading well

. ~ Pine

Hmmmmm . . .

[Hectic]

Back on catchup again, huh.

Ad a birthdat present, someone give me a summary plz.

So close to meme replying to this, but I'll refrain, you sons of guns.

[Hectic]

@Hectic: Can you specify? Because I think I’ve answered that extensively. Did you want something else than what I’ve already said?

Oh, I'll go back and check.

[Hectic]

Yeah, nvm, you addressed it.

[OkaPoka]

nancy why arent you furious over elsa for attempting to hammer

[Hectic]

VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

I don't understand how you're pursuing solves on day 1; we literally have no flips. Lynching scum is hard enough on day 1, I don't see how you can ever reliably solve on day 1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

I like the fact that he unvoted, Pine otoh wanted to rush that lynch. Pine is clearly talking with Mastina and me and Krazy are two slots, she would definitely comment on no matter how preoccupied she was, so not really buying it.

@Pine ask Mastina for reads on me and Krasy.

[Hectic]

Though, I've seen several others do that too so maybe that's the site meta. I'd like to see proof of someone actually solving correctly on day 1 though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy why arent you furious over elsa for attempting to hammer

I’m obviously not happy about it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

I don't understand how you're pursuing solves on day 1; we literally have no flips. Lynching scum is hard enough on day 1, I don't see how you can ever reliably solve on day 1.

Speaking of, Pine had already decided on Krazy and me as the scumteam, solely based on my obvtown read on him. Since Pine had no reason to think I was in a hood att and hasn’t yet any reason to think Krazy was in one, why would he have thought scum!me would locktown Krazy? That still makes absolutely no sense to me.

[pisskop]

oka, I am disappoint

[OkaPoka]

Nancy, does krazy usually fall behind?

[OkaPoka]

oka, I am disappoint

its ok piss i have two other scumteam solves you just need to make it obvious that the other two solves are better

[Hectic]

VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

I don't understand how you're pursuing solves on day 1; we literally have no flips. Lynching scum is hard enough on day 1, I don't see how you can ever reliably solve on day 1.

Speaking of, Pine had already decided on Krazy and me as the scumteam, solely based on my obvtown read on him. Since Pine had no reason to think I was in a hood att and hasn’t yet any reason to think Krazy was in one, why would he have thought scum!me would locktown Krazy? That still makes absolutely no sense to me.

Agree, similar to how he was reading me as scum with the two people who were lone pushing the OkaPoka wagon. I'd understand more if the solves had some sense to them, but those really don't.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy, does krazy usually fall behind?

Am I allowed to discuss anything rl or not? I don’t want to get into trouble.

[OkaPoka]

ask micc

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: pisskop

probably the easiest flex pick for multiple solves while still pursuing my top solve

I don't understand how you're pursuing solves on day 1; we literally have no flips. Lynching scum is hard enough on day 1, I don't see how you can ever reliably solve on day 1.

Speaking of, Pine had already decided on Krazy and me as the scumteam, solely based on my obvtown read on him. Since Pine had no reason to think I was in a hood att and hasn’t yet any reason to think Krazy was in one, why would he have thought scum!me would locktown Krazy? That still makes absolutely no sense to me.

Agree, similar to how he was reading me as scum with the two people who were lone pushing the OkaPoka wagon. I'd understand more if the solves had some sense to them, but those really don't.

1063 really bothered me because he was clearly unhappy and that Piss and I unvoted. He really wanted your lynch to go through right there and then, despite having plenty of time still left.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ask micc

Or Krazy could just answer for himself. I will just say, to the best of my knowledge, he definitely has good reasons for that in this case.

[Hectic]

@Pine: what do you think of Hectic as a scum player? Is he competent?

I don't have any scum data on this site unfortunately. I have 1 offsite however.

Ok, thanks for that info - Pine, please change my question to what do you think of Hectic as a player in general? Is he competent?

He’s competent enough that I don’t accept memeing in TM2020 from him.

I need to consult with my team, they think I’m out on a limb here and Hectic’s posting this afternoon has been better.

As for the lack of a counterwagon, that isn’t for lack of trying - there have been pushes on several people so far, they just haven’t taken hold.

I don't understand this btw. I've played once with Pine where he lurked it out as town and did nothing until he was replaced. I don't think I have any other meta with you, so what are you basing this competent-read from?

[NaCl]

It's a data point. I've liked a lot of his other posts. I think he's netted to null. I can't remember whether I've stated how much I like the other posts itt or not.
NaCl is a really strange slot. He just randomly said "my teammate told me to vote the UTR so I'm now voting the UTR" and it seems too wolfy to be wolf. I can't make sense of it.
All these things seem like way smaller deals than Eddie Cane scumslipping so I feel like I'm on crazy pills

pedit: whoa like 8 pedits

Pops, I would have expected you to have a stronger read on me. But it's not that "I'm just doing what Farkran told me" but rather that he convinced me on Okapoka's posts that they're not really something I should be townreading. Because I was initially townreading Oka and Farkran convinced me otherwise. And when you say it like that it's discrediting.

Also, @Oka well, if you don't want to tell me about what you were thinking in the past that's not a good look. Literally everything you do feels like it's trying to make it hard for me to understand you. Yes, I get that you explaining opinions you don't have anymore doesn't help the game progress. But it helps me read you.

Quite on the contrary, if I was scum I would have carefully reread that before posting.

I started off composing the sentence as one thing, then changed my mind and forgot to go back and omit Pine’s name from the first part. Basically I was going to lump them together and say something slightly different, then decided that Pine deserved his own sentence.

Amrun, could you say what it was you were originally thinking and why you changed your mind on it?

I ISOed NaCl. I disliked his dislike for Eddie based on the vacation and posting for the sake of posting things. I liked his comments on my wagon and the comment on the doc crumb thing and resulting conversation with Nancy.

@NaCl: "I think Hectic's posts haven't been too great but there are times where I see a move that I think scum-Hectic would make but Hectic is specifically not making those actions." - can you specify what kind of scum moves you thought I would make but didn't make?

I think I missed where he flipped a read based on his teammate's opinions or something like that. Can someone link me to that post?

Specifically when you were trying to press Nancy for an answer to your question and getting scumread by her for it, I don't see why you didn't just stop (I still think you were wrong on it since it might out the PR). Because you didn't have to keep asking the question and the fact that you continued to press it despite it being unpopular felt like you were tunnelling on trying to get your answer more than you cared about how you looked to her. I think that if you were scum you would have admitted to your mistake or otherwise backed off.


@Oka
Could you explain what made you change your mind on the Pine wagon?

@Eddie cane
I kind of think that if Hectic flips scum then it's more likely that pops is scum. I don't agree with Hectic's reasons for townreading her and pops's feels like she's soft-defending Hectic

Regarding Pine, I really think this wagon is worse than the Hectic one and that Pine is town, although I think he's been consistently wrong in his reads on Hectic (well, also me). Like, I'm still in favour of Okapoka because I feel like he's not really engaging directly. Every attempt I make to try and understand him feels like he's deliberately avoiding me and I don't think he's really gotten into any kind of long drawn out discussion of how he thinks. I know pretty much everyone disagrees with me but I don't get why.

[Hectic]

1063 really bothered me because he was clearly unhappy and that Piss and I unvoted. He really wanted your lynch to go through right there and then, despite having plenty of time still left.

Yeah, I was really annoyed to see that both from Titus and Pine.

[Hectic]

Specifically when you were trying to press Nancy for an answer to your question and getting scumread by her for it, I don't see why you didn't just stop (I still think you were wrong on it since it might out the PR). Because you didn't have to keep asking the question and the fact that you continued to press it despite it being unpopular felt like you were tunnelling on trying to get your answer more than you cared about how you looked to her. I think that if you were scum you would have admitted to your mistake or otherwise backed off.

I see, this makes sense actually.

[OkaPoka]

I just prefer lynching Piss to Pine because I think there is a world where Piss is buddying a town!Pine whereas I don't think there is a world where Pine is buddying a town!Piss.

With that being said my best theory is Pine and Piss are both scum.

But also its more valuable to have potential wagons on both Pine and Piss right now than to have everyone sitting on Pine.

[Something_Smart]

Nice, NaCl is town.

[OkaPoka]

but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place