Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Hectic]

Nice, NaCl is town.

Agree, I like the logic in that post.

@NaCl: What do you dislike about my Pops townread?

[Hectic]

but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's a data point. I've liked a lot of his other posts. I think he's netted to null. I can't remember whether I've stated how much I like the other posts itt or not.
NaCl is a really strange slot. He just randomly said "my teammate told me to vote the UTR so I'm now voting the UTR" and it seems too wolfy to be wolf. I can't make sense of it.
All these things seem like way smaller deals than Eddie Cane scumslipping so I feel like I'm on crazy pills

pedit: whoa like 8 pedits

Pops, I would have expected you to have a stronger read on me. But it's not that "I'm just doing what Farkran told me" but rather that he convinced me on Okapoka's posts that they're not really something I should be townreading. Because I was initially townreading Oka and Farkran convinced me otherwise. And when you say it like that it's discrediting.

Also, @Oka well, if you don't want to tell me about what you were thinking in the past that's not a good look. Literally everything you do feels like it's trying to make it hard for me to understand you. Yes, I get that you explaining opinions you don't have anymore doesn't help the game progress. But it helps me read you.

Quite on the contrary, if I was scum I would have carefully reread that before posting.

I started off composing the sentence as one thing, then changed my mind and forgot to go back and omit Pine’s name from the first part. Basically I was going to lump them together and say something slightly different, then decided that Pine deserved his own sentence.

Amrun, could you say what it was you were originally thinking and why you changed your mind on it?

I ISOed NaCl. I disliked his dislike for Eddie based on the vacation and posting for the sake of posting things. I liked his comments on my wagon and the comment on the doc crumb thing and resulting conversation with Nancy.

@NaCl: "I think Hectic's posts haven't been too great but there are times where I see a move that I think scum-Hectic would make but Hectic is specifically not making those actions." - can you specify what kind of scum moves you thought I would make but didn't make?

I think I missed where he flipped a read based on his teammate's opinions or something like that. Can someone link me to that post?

Specifically when you were trying to press Nancy for an answer to your question and getting scumread by her for it, I don't see why you didn't just stop (I still think you were wrong on it since it might out the PR). Because you didn't have to keep asking the question and the fact that you continued to press it despite it being unpopular felt like you were tunnelling on trying to get your answer more than you cared about how you looked to her. I think that if you were scum you would have admitted to your mistake or otherwise backed off.


@Oka
Could you explain what made you change your mind on the Pine wagon?

@Eddie cane
I kind of think that if Hectic flips scum then it's more likely that pops is scum. I don't agree with Hectic's reasons for townreading her and pops's feels like she's soft-defending Hectic

Regarding Pine, I really think this wagon is worse than the Hectic one and that Pine is town, although I think he's been consistently wrong in his reads on Hectic (well, also me). Like, I'm still in favour of Okapoka because I feel like he's not really engaging directly. Every attempt I make to try and understand him feels like he's deliberately avoiding me and I don't think he's really gotten into any kind of long drawn out discussion of how he thinks. I know pretty much everyone disagrees with me but I don't get why.

I definitely think you’re town from this but I don’t necessarily agree with your reasoning for tr Hectic, because if he was in fact scum trying to out the PR, why would he back off?

I still don’t understand your Oka sr, because he’s like this in pretty much every game I’ve played with him. I also think the question he was asking me earlier was based on helping to clarify his read on me. Auro definitely didn’t sr it.

Why do you think town!Pine wants to ram a Hectic wagon through so quickly, when we still have plenty of time left?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nice, NaCl is town.

+1

[OkaPoka]

but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

yeah i mean im not forcing anyone to follow my lead so?

[Hectic]

but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

yeah i mean im not forcing anyone to follow my lead so?

so no harm in being completely transparent and sharing all your reads is what I mean.

[OkaPoka]

but also the way I see it there is very little value for me to just be completely transparent and sharing all my notes at every stage of the game because

1) my reputation of scumhunting is mediocre at best
2) I am pretty much a utr so I don't need to bother with proving myself as town

so the gain of me outting my reads is that it can
1) reassure everyone that im townie i guess
2) have notes that other people can work off of

the loss is
1) i don't get to be a spooky wildcard
2) i am more susceptible to being lead to the wrong place

We don't have to follow your reads though. Without posting your reads, your UTR (though I thought 2 people were voting you?) might dip back to null so might as well prevent that from happening.

yeah i mean im not forcing anyone to follow my lead so?

so no harm in being completely transparent and sharing all your reads is what I mean.

your underestimating how valuable it is for scum to get townread by utrs and how easy it is to get townread as scum by mirroring thoughts without coming off as overly buddying

and how easy it is for scum to lead townies to bad lynches by pushing tasty teams

[DrDolittle]

hello bikini bottom

[OkaPoka]

this game is too hard i dont hate anybody enough to tunnel

[Hectic]

your underestimating how valuable it is for scum to get townread by utrs and how easy it is to get townread as scum by mirroring thoughts without coming off as overly buddying

and how easy it is for scum to lead townies to bad lynches by pushing tasty teams

That's fair.

[Amrun]

@NaCl: I was just giving a basic list of who was on the wagon that made me feel ick at first, then I decided to go into a little more detail and give Pine his own sentence. I don’t remember the exact wording.

[OkaPoka]

maybe we take the easy way out and lynch ddl

[DrDolittle]

wow big chicken you hate me enough to tunnel

[Hectic]

maybe we take the easy way out and lynch ddl

tempting

[DrDolittle]

that's a bad idea buddy

[pisskop]

if you manage to get a wagon on me I'll give you a cookie

[Nancy Drew 39]

Who here has experience playing with town!Pine in a previous TM game?

[DrDolittle]

can someone tell me (eg pops) why SS is town?

[Hectic]

that's a bad idea buddy

Oi, you're voting me, aren't you? I'm not your buddy, pal.

[DrDolittle]

I'm not your pal, guy.

[Hectic]

I'm not your guy, friend.

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: SS

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: SS

Horrible vote

[Krazy]

I usually hesitate to use meta, but S_S is such a weird player it's close to required, otherwise you're either going to policy lynch him every single game for not using his vote or townlock him as both alignments for never ever pushing an agenda when those things are just how S_S plays.

I kinda feel like as scum S_S is slightly faster to develop an 'agenda' after being called out for being passive whereas here he's kinda just been protecting his townreads. I don't know that makes him locktown like others have said but it isn't exactly the progression I'd expect to see from him as scum

Yeah, Hectic is definitely the lynch today. Gut feeling, he's trying to draw out the real Doc.

This is an extremely shallow read.

Agree

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I like Hectic's 654

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But also hectic is feeling townie lol

UNVOTE:

This seems like a pretty reasonable response to 654

UNVOTE:

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I’m not confident on it, I’m a lot more confident on certain tr. Like you, Krazy, Titus, Elsa, Piss, for example.

Have you played with scum piss Nancy?

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UNVOTE:

I like this and actually her paragon dig at Pine on the page before.

I've never seen you last this long being mad at someone or get this pissed this early for people not marking you as town.

While this can be fair, she handles the pressure of scumreads worse as scum, this is not yet in the ballpark of MD2 (where she was scum) but feels easily within the range of LNT (where she was town)

This is one of S_S's posts that is one of his goodpostings

and its logic applies to how I am not eager to justify a read for the 999th time that I'm not sure about

With some effort I could articulate some elements of what's a mismatch, some of it is harder to articulate

I can tell you virtually none of the patterns were present in Crown, I don't know if that's incidental or if S_S tends to play IC differently.

VOTE: Krazy

What does any of this post have to do with voting me?

[DrDolittle]

i'd expect a lot of more mechanism play from town S_S that I'm not seeing here. He's playing a passive game but it's a scum passive play