TM2020 - Large Theme - Gay Mafia IV: TOWN WIN

[chennisden]

Figuratively not literally, I figuratively boozed myself out of this game

[Vex Vience]

my assumption is the sk is buffed as hell, or the mafia/town is overall rather weak. its possible judging by the single nk it’s only mafia, which im kinda leaning towards, which makes gif’s statement really weird.

[chennisden]

I would say if I had to choose between killing nom or GiF I'd go for gif.

[Vex Vience]

im personally fine with killing either of them, since it confirms the other. i feel nom is more likely to flip scum here though.

[Almost50]

If any of the voters has a guilty, please say so. Otherwise, I don't really agree on any of them 3.

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

Vex scumleaning me here doesn't make sense to me at all. (Actually, most of his reads don't make sense to me).

My own current read list looks something like this:

Town: FL - nom - dave - kuribo - chenn - Ank

Scum (at least 3 of them): Volxen - gooey - EP - DEB

The remaining 5 are "different shades of grey". (Actually, 4 are. I have given up on truing to read Maria).

P-edit: I'll take that Vex clear from Maria with a grain of salt, provided they were not neighbors with Farkan.

[nomnomnom]

i mean, id expect there to be an sk regardless. we have the sample pm of one in the op, and anything without an sk in this setup seems kinda weird

That's not the point. When people don't question your accusations and pretend to go along with you, they're most likely to be guilty.

Where do you get this line of thinking?

Psychology.
When people are interrogated about crimes, the ones that tend to be guilty are the ones that do not question your accusations. I said he was scum and said something like "even if I was scum", which is a really big red flag.

As I said I caught someone in a large theme with a similar tell. They were scum that game and unconsciously admitted they were scum because they instantly categorized my "scummy" behavior as the one from a SK, rather than scum, which outed them as scum. It's a similar principle here. People admit things subconsciously all the time.

[nomnomnom]

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

What makes you say that?

[Vex Vience]

@a50 ill explain my reads in a bit if you want. my notes were written primarily for me to be able to make sense of the game and explain my thought process, with everyone else being able to discern something closely behind.

[MariaR]

i mean, id expect there to be an sk regardless. we have the sample pm of one in the op, and anything without an sk in this setup seems kinda weird

That's not the point. When people don't question your accusations and pretend to go along with you, they're most likely to be guilty.

Where do you get this line of thinking?

Psychology.
When people are interrogated about crimes, the ones that tend to be guilty are the ones that do not question your accusations. I said he was scum and said something like "even if I was scum", which is a really big red flag.

As I said I caught someone in a large theme with a similar tell. They were scum that game and unconsciously admitted they were scum because they instantly categorized my "scummy" behavior as the one from a SK, rather than scum, which outed them as scum. It's a similar principle here. People admit things subconsciously all the time.

As a business psychology major I have to disagree with you. Sure, you have one game to reference someone else's emotional behavior but that's just one person. Along with the fact this is a different mindset the brai- I could rant about this all day given it is my love and passion but I digress.

A question for you. Would you consider yourself a very self aware person?

[nomnomnom]

i mean, id expect there to be an sk regardless. we have the sample pm of one in the op, and anything without an sk in this setup seems kinda weird

That's not the point. When people don't question your accusations and pretend to go along with you, they're most likely to be guilty.

Where do you get this line of thinking?

Psychology.
When people are interrogated about crimes, the ones that tend to be guilty are the ones that do not question your accusations. I said he was scum and said something like "even if I was scum", which is a really big red flag.

As I said I caught someone in a large theme with a similar tell. They were scum that game and unconsciously admitted they were scum because they instantly categorized my "scummy" behavior as the one from a SK, rather than scum, which outed them as scum. It's a similar principle here. People admit things subconsciously all the time.

As a business psychology major I have to disagree with you. Sure, you have one game to reference someone else's emotional behavior but that's just one person. Along with the fact this is a different mindset the brai- I could rant about this all day given it is my love and passion but I digress.

A question for you. Would you consider yourself a very self aware person?

Why do I feel this is going to end in a punchline?

Depends what you mean. If you mean if I know how I am like, yes I like to think I'm very self aware. Same with what I post in mafia games. Maybe you could detail.

[MariaR]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

[nomnomnom]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

Our team isn't really multitasking games tbh, so I don't have a feedback.

[Almost50]

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

What makes you say that?

Why else would they kill Farkran over at least half of the players list? It's not like he a reputation for catching, and his team isn't the most experienced either.

[nomnomnom]

I think the Farkran kill was made for the last standing player utility, which means one of the two living players is Scum.

What makes you say that?

Why else would they kill Farkran over at least half of the players list? It's not like he a reputation for catching, and his team isn't the most experienced either.

Well there's a commuter hood outed, so other targets could be chosen, and I remember Farkran's reputation being rather favorable around the playerlist, so it could be that.

With that said if you're in Farkran's hood and you feel your hood's ability is very strong then out yourself.

[MariaR]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

Our team isn't really multitasking games tbh, so I don't have a feedback.

But have you asked about it at all?

[nomnomnom]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

Our team isn't really multitasking games tbh, so I don't have a feedback.

But have you asked about it at all?

I'll ask about it if you want.

[Almost50]

With that said if you're in Farkran's hood and you feel your hood's ability is very strong then out yourself.

I mean, this "could" be interpreted as fishing for info, but I'm TRing you (and so so the members if my team that cared to take a peak on this game), so I will respond with: Don't you think I would have outed already if that was the case? I mean, I think he was likely killed over an ability, and I know I'm town, so the natural thing to deduce would be that my living neighbor is Scum and I would be voting them AND out the ability.

Short answer: I am not in Farkan's hood.

[nomnomnom]

With that said if you're in Farkran's hood and you feel your hood's ability is very strong then out yourself.

I mean, this "could" be interpreted as fishing for info, but I'm TRing you (and so so the members if my team that cared to take a peak on this game), so I will respond with: Don't you think I would have outed already if that was the case? I mean, I think he was likely killed over an ability, and I know I'm town, so the natural thing to deduce would be that my living neighbor is Scum and I would be voting them AND out the ability.

Short answer: I am not in Farkan's hood.

Oh this wasn't directed at you, it was a you directed at everyone. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

[MariaR]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

Our team isn't really multitasking games tbh, so I don't have a feedback.

But have you asked about it at all?

I'll ask about it if you want.

No, the issue is you didn't ask at all. The thing that has me confused is you say you're self-aware so I would imagine a self aware person stepping back and asking their team. 'Am I tunneling this guy' or 'hey does this read like a slip to you.' Yet you haven't done that. It begs the question why? It makes the read look less real to me.

[nomnomnom]

How much have you asked your team about your gif read and that slip?

Our team isn't really multitasking games tbh, so I don't have a feedback.

But have you asked about it at all?

I'll ask about it if you want.

No, the issue is you didn't ask at all. The thing that has me confused is you say you're self-aware so I would imagine a self aware person stepping back and asking their team. 'Am I tunneling this guy' or 'hey does this read like a slip to you.' Yet you haven't done that. It begs the question why? It makes the read look less real to me.

Because my team isn't much interested in doing that, that's all. I don't have a team that's very much interested in looking around all the games we're playing so it didn't cross my mind to do this.

I don't see how that makes the read less real, even if my team was doing this.

[chennisden]

Btw from my experience from Big Four Mafia

If this slip push planned by scum from the beginning, which seems unlikely, it'll be obvious that nom is scum when the time comes.

[MariaR]

If you said 'yeah I at least asked the question to my team' it would've come across as more genuine to me. I understand your team not wanting to read a game like this

trust

me but not even asking about the slip that's like what a few posts at most maybe? It just seems odd to me. Maybe I'm taking this down the wrong path but I feel like I would've at least stepped back and asked a few things busy or not. My team doesn't check this game but I always run a question on X post when it's needed.

[chennisden]

For now I feel like this can be treated as genuine and a useful line of discussion.

[nomnomnom]

If you said 'yeah I at least asked the question to my team' it would've come across as more genuine to me. I understand your team not wanting to read a game like this

trust

me but not even asking about the slip that's like what a few posts at most maybe? It just seems odd to me. Maybe I'm taking this down the wrong path but I feel like I would've at least stepped back and asked a few things busy or not. My team doesn't check this game but I always run a question on X post when it's needed.

I never thought of it this way.

You gotta understand that we joined as a not so serious team and we don't go too far when it comes to sharing games and all, we just play our games and that's it. The only time we discussed this game is when I was venting to Ico about how frustrating people were in thread.

[Almost50]

@nom: Oh, OK. Let's not forget English is my second language so I may misunderstand from time to time.

Btw, skitter still insists Volpe is the Scum in your hood (if her reads mean anything at all to you), nut I won't be defending GIF as I have no confident read on either of them, tbh.