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[Bitmap]

Answer a question

[jjh927]

Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.

I mean this steaming pile of shit specifically

[ofrhz]

There's too many floaty generalisations people have made about how Bitmap plays or has played this game that simply aren't true.

What about generalisations, which where made about mastina?

Show me Alisae making a generalisation about Mastina that you think is inaccurate

Wait you didn't ask for my UwU photos? Ech
I don't know mastina as a player, so i can't tell whenever its generalizations are accurate or not. Still you pull things, which are one-sided and it makes me think that you wanted to pull this rather then throw this out of your awareness.
First things that i can quote, without rereading whole game.

Spoiler:

mastina, can you stop making funny jokes? My team is dying of laughter in the discord channels.

Also wow, you've completely neglected the game to stroke the e-peen of other players while the rest of us are actually trying to solve this game. You and your team are honestly a true inspiration of what it's like to not be pro-town in this game.

Also, please stop stroking hito's ego. He has scum equity that a lot of players/teams have recognized and yet you completely ignore.

Also, please don't infer that I need coaching as scum. Scum is not hard. Town is much harder to play as and I'm leveraging my team to actually work and solve this game unlike you who wants to make a popularity list.

don't get into this fight with mastina
- its unproductive
- you're wasting your energy
- thread health goes down
- its extremely petty

Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not, it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative. And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'. But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in.

Earlier I thought it was weird that u didn’t scumread me since u always do when we’re both town.
Now I’m absolutely 100% convinced
I don’t think u have a read on me at all
I think u just know I’m town because r scum
VOTE: mastina

In 1106, JJH said that people were giving vague generalizations to

townread

Bitmap and those were bad reasons to townread Bitmap for.

These Alisae quotes you quoted are reasons to

scumread

mastina. That analogy doesn't work, because the generalization is working in a different direction and besides jjh isn't scumreading mastina. Vague reasons to scumread mastina should probably only serve to reinforce jjh's read there. Basically, how do you expect jjh to have reconsidered his reads based on these quotes?

Also to clear the air real quick, do you like post 685 by Alisae or not? How does this post impact your own read on mastina?

I'm not sure if there are some internally inconsistent thoughts here or if there's some language barrier that I'm not getting through.

[Bitmap]

Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.

I mean this steaming pile of shit specifically

So if mastina does end up as town somehow and the other wagon that isn't the 1v1 is town, scum can just support the non 1v1 wagon and just save the 1v1 for down the road. If mastina ends up town and the other wagon ends up scum, then scum can push a lynch to me/mastina. No point in pushing alt wagons because of gamestate since it'll only help scum.

[Bitmap]

Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.

I mean this steaming pile of shit specifically

So if mastina does end up as town somehow and the other wagon that isn't the 1v1 is town, scum can just support the non 1v1 wagon and just save the 1v1 for down the road. If mastina ends up town and the other wagon ends up scum, then scum can push a lynch to me/mastina. No point in pushing alt wagons because of gamestate since it'll only help scum.

This was from RC.

[jjh927]

So are you in favour of making people lynch in you and Mastina or not

[Bitmap]

RC said if she forcing the lynch and not backing down, then since we're town, yes lynch her.

[jjh927]

"If you don't stop doing this 1V1 I'll continue doing this 1V1"

That's what you sound like

[Bitmap]

ok cool

[jjh927]

Might actually have been helpful in the end because that's what town!RC sounds like

[jjh927]

Things will be better if you deescalate it yourself

Vote Kerset maybe

[Bitmap]

I was thinking voting hito but Shadoweh barely posts so it makes me sad.

[mastina]

VOTE: Kerset

My levels of give-a-shit are very low atm, but I grok what jj is putting out here and it doesn't make me scared I'm completely wrong about everything.

Yknow what.
Sure.
VOTE: Kerset.

[Reundo]

OK, I finished catching up. Reads:

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM

I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.

VOTE: mastina

[Alisae]

ok so those are scumreads LOL

[mastina]

OK, I finished catching up. Reads:

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM

I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.

VOTE: mastina

Good fucking god is it actually just really that easy?
Is it really just Bitmap-Kerset-Gammaslot?
Because holy shit.
It sure as fuck feels that way.

[ofrhz]

Why am I a scum lean, Reundo?

[jjh927]

OK, I finished catching up. Reads:

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM

I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.

VOTE: mastina

Good fucking god is it actually just really that easy?
Is it really just Bitmap-Kerset-Gammaslot?
Because holy shit.
It sure as fuck feels that way.

That's where my head's at.

I think if I were to make a readslist right now it would look ridiculous because I currently have a reasonably firm TR on everyone in the game who is not those 3 people

[Jingle]

ok so those are scumreads LOL

How so?

[hitogoroshi]

I'm not sure why anyone of either alignment goes in with a throwaway defence like that. But it feels very off, so I'm gonna keep pushing.

mastina jingle how are y'all picking up on what jj is doing when even jj doesn't know what jj is doing. I mean in the very strictest sense I have a lot of town reads and kerset being stubbornly null means that he's not a horrible consoloation prize, but come the fuck on y'all it's page 50. maybe lets try to have the barest fucking shred of looking for who is mafia vs town instead of being like "well I have no idea why kerset-scum would be more likely to type that sentence than kerset-town, but hey it sure was a wuh-wuh-waaacccckkkky post huh??" What happened because of Kerset getting a red PM that wouldn't have happened had they got a green PM. who do we think their actions are in service of. like hey y'all if you don't think that Shadoweh being so reactive and self-focused is a scum indicator, talk to me about it! I change my mind fast! but it is kind of fucking galling to keep a bead on that and learn that a more compelling theory than "I think the punitively frustrated person who's actually focused on responses and reaction is a good scum candidate" is "haha what's THAT post about? I sure don't know!!"

the one bright side to this is that I think it reflects better on jj that he's still sniping Bitmap from Kerset-wagon; feel like the whole point of scum-jj jumping to Kerset would be to ignore Bitmap and just get a lynch locked in

I was thinking voting hito but Shadoweh barely posts so it makes me sad.

terrible post, for two reasons

1. What does Shadoweh posting or not have to do with what role PM I received
2. Given that you said:

Also hito, on mastina red flip, I'd probably suspect jj for protecting scum and one of the mastina fence sitters. On green flip, I'd probably suspect you the most.

Why is your instinct to switch to the person who's suspicious on a mastina

greenflip?

Aren't you

really sure

she's flipping red?

we all know reundo 1238 sucks, if it sucks because he's scum it'll probably be obvious quick, hey reundo 1.) why did you think in-depth reads would be pointless 2.) what reads did your team have waiting for you.

[Chemist1422]

hm why are you trying to manipulate others’ opinions on a post with “we all know”

[Jingle]

Honestly Hito? I’m not worried about parsing the you/shadow fight right now any more than I am the mastina/bitmap fight. I remember liking things from both of you but not what those things are, which makes me think the whole thing will be easier to manage with context. I may not know which of you if either is scum, but you’re both making enough arguments that I am confident I can figure that out in the future.

Kers otoh is acting unnaturally to the other big 1v1 and I’m getting severe flying under the radar vibes.

we all know reundo 1238 sucks, if it sucks because he's scum it'll probably be obvious quick, hey reundo 1.) why did you think in-depth reads would be pointless 2.) what reads did your team have waiting for you.

But like... is it?

[hitogoroshi]

hm why are you trying to manipulate others’ opinions on a post with “we all know”

great question! mostly I said 'we all know it sucks" because of how much we all know it sucks, hope that helps

but no real talk I think actually my motivation is avoiding someone sidling up and being like "hey, that post where reundo just summarized a flat read tiers list with no context over 50 pages and voted on the top wagon? it's...bad vote reundo." either the post is bad because he's scum who can't make himself fake a bunch of reasons for his read, he's town who just didn't try, or the spicy double-double option where he happens to have randed scum but would have had a similar post as town. if it's the first one, then great, someone who can't fake town thought process today probably can't fake it tomorrow and it should get pretty easy in a matter of days. In the meantime I don't want reundo to be a place where people can just park because of post quality without actually bringing alignment in to it because it looks suspiciously like there is a big market in this town for that sort of thing!

Kers otoh is acting unnaturally to the other big 1v1 and I’m getting severe flying under the radar vibes.

I swear the blood vessels in my eyes are going to explode, how is Kerset randomly antagonizing jj's Bitmap case more "flying under the radar" than Shadoweh limiting herself to direct responses and an extremely unspecific commendation of mastina<->bitmap

we all know reundo 1238 sucks, if it sucks because he's scum it'll probably be obvious quick, hey reundo 1.) why did you think in-depth reads would be pointless 2.) what reads did your team have waiting for you.

But like... is it?

Sorry mate I have literally no idea what question you're trying to ask here

[Jingle]

Shadoweh is actively trying to get you lynched afaict. Not particularly effectively, but the effort is there.

And I meant to type does it, as in, does1238 really suck.

[Jingle]

TBC, I did read your post and I understand what you’re saying wrt the lack of reasoning, but no reasoning in one post doesn’t mean further reasoning isn’t forthcoming.

Your issue seems to be that this one post isn’t a post that we can conclusively read reundo off of alone, but I don’t know why you’d expect it would be.