Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess because I don't feel like being hated by TW because I disagree with his view of the ethics of the situation. \o/

[the worst]

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

this isn't a dialogue that needs to happen mid-game. it's literally nothing but posturing.

[the worst]

strike 2
not engaging more with RC
sorry

[RadiantCowbells]

I’ve literally been quiet and asked the others to be quiet.

**poofs back into hiding until asked something or talked about again**

If not current reads are RC+TW+Ari scum

Serious question: where the heck does this read of the gamestate come from?

This is like the mooniest logic of all time.

[MathBlade]

It comes from the fact that I am reading everyone as telling the truth.

I think the worst is telling the truth in that he passionately believes you’re scum.
I believe you’re telling the truth in that if you don’t hit scum your butt is to the fire and you are honest in your bussing meta Titus has mentioned it. You also are likely honest in your claim that you believe Ari+TW to be scum. But you are hyper focused on these two. Too focused imho.
You have a similar “truth” vibe from when we played scum together you used a similar tone with the worst that you haven’t used with me yet this game.
I do think Ari has been on VLA the entire time however both he and the worst have been sucking up hardcore. “The lovely MathBlade” and “You have no idea how much I appreciate it”. While these are true sentiments they seem rather excessive for a mafia game. Titus warned me that buddying was my weakness and this seems very buddying.

1674/6 also feels like something that belongs in a PT not a TVS or SVT. “Is this reasonable?” Is usually only asked with sarcasm. The tone here seems more proofreading. There’s also more hyperbole that’s odd. Super expect? Why would Aristophanes have any sort of expectation of what you’d say? Unless you planned to bus him at the start like I theorized earlier. I think a non SvS combo would have said “Yeah you usually say stuff like modconfirmed but it’s meaningless”. In other words it feels like Ari knew this was coming.

Now if you don’t mind the next episode of Math rambles (haha more self depreciating jokes) let me link to some scum meta of yours and mine:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=75897

In this you instantly want to bus AA9 out the gate before anything has happened. You run over scumbuddies with the goal to set up a gamestate for you or a buddy to win when scum. With how few posts have came in this reeks of “Hey let’s bus Ari” at the start. Your original suspicion came out of left field and several players commented on it.

Now further on in this game, you voted Luna Nova for scumreading you. You did similar with me here when I was testing the waters to see if you were scum. I had to remind you to vote Ari and that your vote was on me.

“ I'm pretty sure that the entire scumteam isn't lurking so at least one person is scum in the active players but none of the active players are obviously scum aorn and I'm scared to push on someone for reactions because it'll probably end in me having to deal with a whole lot shit that I don't deserve (see: last few pages) so my hands are kind of tied here”

This is also from that game. I was active so the statement was true. Here you talk a lot about how scum seem to be inactive. More so when the worst is offline. As scum you act similar to me in the regard that you generally tell the truth.

You also fake claimed a day cop on Luna Nova. Here you have also claimed an investigative.

Also when you do lie you keep a small out for yourself later
Sample
“ but in {RC/Creature/NSG/Hebichan/Cheeky/Vecna/Mathblade} like 90% of the time there's no more than one wolf and most of the time if there is one it's mathblade”
Most people should have caught on that was a scum claim that you let yourself possibly be a wolf but I was your buddy so I had to push you badly.

In this game you have an obsession with Ari yet an absence of really trying to find anyone else. You’ve been spamming the thread and narrowly focused, way much more so than town RC. In the wolf game I linked you focused extensively on a mostly absent slot of Luna Nova. Times to donuts if I had greed with an AA9 bus then you mighta done that instead of Nova. There is the slim possibility Ari town but if Ari is there’s more than enough similarity here that it becomes off with your head.

You also interact with town who suspect you than scum. You told me you ran out of patience in the scum game it was gentler than how you were in this one.

In the same manner sure you’ve been mad with the worst but you seem a lot more kid glove like with him than with Skitter. Same with Ari.

So mainly I am taking everyone at their word combined with posts in thread and past experiences. And buddying.

I don’t also think the worst gets that worked up either on his own. It’s not something he does as town or scum.
The worst is hyper though
(Evidence scum game together both you and the worst https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=81423)

My theory is that this being team mafia you’re spearheading a lot and telling the worst it will work good and let the worst go deep.

You yourself said you don’t anticipate living too long:

This tells me that if you’re scum that it’s similar to the open or you are mislynching Ari who has free time


Mainly I think you’re telling the truth in what you say/free a lot

/end ramble

[MathBlade]

Free time as in flexibility.

Not literal free time.

He’s not tied down to anything

[MathBlade]

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

Here it is again.
The rare qualifier from Raybells.

You used this in the one scum if statement I mentioned in my ramble.

This likely means that you think the worst is going to win and be townie enough to skate past day one.

Because...you’re scum with the worst.

[MathBlade]

There is the possibility that you think he will skate by D1 and be townie because he is town but considering how emphatic you are the worst is scum, this is more a back burner possibility.

[Iconeum]

Bad rc, I stopped being mislynch bait today.

Ceph says Ari is scum (klick agrees), that plum is just good at talking so I should be more cautious there, that math is 'crazy pants and unreadable' (I'm leaving this til like, day three, lol) and that ico is town BC he's bad at scum and it would've been obv by now.

Actually, I think the strongest part of my scumgame is my D1-2. I end up struggling later on most of the time.
Did they provide any explanation to Ari!scum reads that might help?

I'm fully caught up, and I see Ari being called scum, but I've not seen a case on him?

So how about them Saints?

I hear they have more free time to find more scum.

VOTE: Xtom

do you think xtoxm is scum?
i'm like, assertively null on him aorn

I like that xtom vote from Math

Spoiler: druidic gremlin

Vote Count 1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum

Xtoxm

(3): Iconeum, teacher, MathBlade

Flopz

(2): RCEnigma, Bellaphant

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

MathBlade

(1): tris

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Tris wagon is meh?
Xtoxm wagon could use more votes
Flopz definitely needs more votes maybe I'm more usefull here
Ari is ehhhhhh, with flopz on it. I'll reread RC to see if he provided actual reasoning on Ari being scum?
RC votes are bleh
Tris being on mathblade is also ehhh

VOTE: ico

bella has seen da wae
can you see da wae?

Hey...Juicy theory

RC+TW = SvS

I had reasons.

Alright. I WILL be able to fully catch up a few hours from now. In the meantime does anyone have anything they want to say to me right now?

Have a drink while you read. It’s painful.

Would want your opinion on if RC+TW = SvS

wait ur serious about this?

wow

duckling is fine giving ari more time

then ari comes in and posts some super fake stuff

who knew

I don't see why anyone should NOT be giving Ari more time? Is your read on him set in stone?
RC if you think Ari's read on flopz is faked, why don't you think my flopz read is faked too?

I don't consider this a moral obligation btw:
I think that really it's on you and Duck to accept you can't put the time in to win this by force and you haven't been towny enough to skate past D1 so you lose, if my read of the overall situation is correct.
But I'm going to do it anyway because... not really sure why, but I'm sure doing it.

Here it is again.
The rare qualifier from Raybells.

You used this in the one scum if statement I mentioned in my ramble.

This likely means that you think the worst is going to win and be townie enough to skate past day one.

Because...you’re scum with the worst.

WAIT UR ACTUALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT SCUMTEAM?

[Iconeum]

Not in a million billion gazillion years will I accept/believe that scum!duck will PURPOSEFULLY create this kind of gamestate with scum!RC

even for TM

ever

wtf

[Iconeum]

HOW DO YOU HAVE 600+ POSTS ALREADY

[MathBlade]

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

[the worst]

I can see exactly how you worked through this to reach that conclusion but the conclusion still made me laugh. Sorry. This isn't meant to be discrediting. I think you're even more likely town for the way you've powered through this rather than freeze/back down but.... All I can really say is "yeah no".

[Iconeum]

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

[the worst]

Not in a million billion gazillion years will I accept/believe that scum!duck will PURPOSEFULLY create this kind of gamestate with scum!RC

even for TM

ever

wtf

Actually obviously don't take my word for it but I think this post kinda sums up why it jars me at least. I can't speak for RC (I don't think he's doing this intentionally either though), but the contributions I've made towards toxifying the thread aren't like... within my "moral scum theatre range".

I know you'll read me how you will and obviously I'm not going to enter trust tell territory; this is just a useful way for me to debrief on my initial reaction I think?

[MathBlade]

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

On the last line I agree. Look where my vote is.

I don’t think that it was toxic. More spammy. They just called each other scum in a vicious cycle repeatedly and didn’t want to allow any other reads through.

[the worst]

I agree it was more spammy than toxic. Definitely. Still forcing people to read through pages of drivel isn't something I'm proud of.

[RCEnigma]

i still don't have a read on ari
we had the same rxn to flopz' posting but i also don't have a read on flopz...

90% of Flopz posting has been weird to me. But I'm also part basing my read on some half associations with RC.

[MathBlade]

Yes I am serious about it. It matches Raybells to a T and the worst isn’t a leader type.

It also explains why (assuming Ari scum) that Raybells was able to read Ari as scum and couldn’t really explain it. He just knew and got impatient.

I think the worst is a leader type when he feels like it. I also know that he isn't a type that will ever agree to creating this kind of toxicity, as any allignment. Implying they are S/S implies they CHOSE to argue like that. No.

If they are bussing Ari, who are we to stop them?

They could have gotten carried away.

Scum can do really powerful emotions.

One time as scum I made a literal code of baby names to suck up to the doctor so we would “avoid telling scum” who would be healed.

Anything town can do scum can and vice versa. It’s all part of the game

[the worst]

Ari/RC genuinely might be two scumslots but like without going down the associate madness rabbit hole in not sure how to read Ari right now. I'm voting my strongest scumread.

[MathBlade]

I agree it was more spammy than toxic. Definitely. Still forcing people to read through pages of drivel isn't something I'm proud of.

And no one is proud of every post they make.

The spamminess only served scum.

[the worst]

Scum can do really powerful emotions.

Historically my emotional scumrange isn't HUGE but I'm certainly capable of being a prick as scum yeah

[the worst]

I agree it was more spammy than toxic. Definitely. Still forcing people to read through pages of drivel isn't something I'm proud of.

And no one is proud of every post they make.

The spamminess only served scum.

Yeah; I'm p grateful for you intervening and calling this out when you did.

[MathBlade]

Mainly it’s gonna take some time and other people posting and maybe some flips to see if it’s right or wrong.

We need more voices here

RCEnigma scum and town reads?

[RCEnigma]

Not in a million billion gazillion years will I accept/believe that scum!duck will PURPOSEFULLY create this kind of gamestate with scum!RC

even for TM

ever

wtf

If TW is scum it isn't with RC. Conversely if RC is scum it isn't with TW. That sounds redundant but kinda not(?)

If I'm playing the team game, an RC team probably looks like RC/Teacher/+1 where +1 is a pool of Bella/plum.