TM2020 | Untrod Tripod Destroys Anime! | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.19
mastina (4): Bitmap, Kerset, Chemist1422, Reundo Kerset (3): jjh927, Jingle, mastina jjh927 (2): Klick, Alisae Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi hitogoroshi (1): Shadoweh Not Voting (1): ofrhz With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00)

[jjh927]

Hito, to be clear;
I don't understand why the throwaway defence would be made as either alignment, but that doesn't mean it's not AI if you can figure it out. I just can't rn. There are other things that occurred when it got pushed that I think definitely do indicate alignment and I'm particularly interested in what happens after Kerset reappears following disappearing mid conversation

[Shadoweh]

I'm v annoyed right now tbh so I stopped to ask my team for opinions since y'all won't do the thing that is taking up all my attention because of how obviously scummy it is. So far we've agreed everyone voting mastina is a scrub and should switch to hito or we're going to vig you. :patagun: More opinions in a bit

[Bitmap]

Sure

VOTE: Hito

[Shadoweh]

okay, after conferring my team is sure enough that mastina is town that they want to lynch mastina voters. Although reundo's wagon is 100% town we're suspicious reundo is just posting newbie. (actually Idk what kind of mafia experience he has, ive just seen him play survivor) more inconclusive then leaning either direction. I'm refraining from posting any comments about clubbing seals tbh because I personally disagree with them. >.> Kerset is fine as a wagon if we must

[Bitmap]

I’m a sad and petty seal so I don’t want to vote Kerset

[Kerset]

There's too many floaty generalisations people have made about how Bitmap plays or has played this game that simply aren't true.

What about generalisations, which where made about mastina?

Show me Alisae making a generalisation about Mastina that you think is inaccurate

Wait you didn't ask for my UwU photos? Ech
I don't know mastina as a player, so i can't tell whenever its generalizations are accurate or not. Still you pull things, which are one-sided and it makes me think that you wanted to pull this rather then throw this out of your awareness.
First things that i can quote, without rereading whole game.

Spoiler:

mastina, can you stop making funny jokes? My team is dying of laughter in the discord channels.

Also wow, you've completely neglected the game to stroke the e-peen of other players while the rest of us are actually trying to solve this game. You and your team are honestly a true inspiration of what it's like to not be pro-town in this game.

Also, please stop stroking hito's ego. He has scum equity that a lot of players/teams have recognized and yet you completely ignore.

Also, please don't infer that I need coaching as scum. Scum is not hard. Town is much harder to play as and I'm leveraging my team to actually work and solve this game unlike you who wants to make a popularity list.

don't get into this fight with mastina
- its unproductive
- you're wasting your energy
- thread health goes down
- its extremely petty

Do this but just for my slot

You're in luck--I'm in the same mindset I was when I listed you as a townread!

That is to say, rather notably tired.

This mindset isn't the most productive to explaining things but it's the only mindset I can be in to explain the read since it was a read born of this mindset.

Basically I didn't intentionally have you as deliberately-unsorted, but I noticed that I wasn't making any effort to really sort you.
In my bout of tiredness, when catching up on the game and reading your posts around that time and the ones from shortly before then that were fresh on mind even though I had read them, I basically liked what I was seeing you do in spite of having the knowledge that I probably shouldn't but the gut-townread from what I was seeing was still there all the same.

Your contributions to this game just look town, mostly. Are they? Ehhh...probably not, it wouldn't surprise me if the people who actually know how to read you well would say you've done nothing that is strongly alignment indicative. And not gonna lie some of your earlier posting did look suspicious but in the very-brief "I am scumreading everyone in this game" sort of way where I realize I'm basically not townreading anyone and force a reset of standards to 'okay reset them to null then just work from there'. But the posting around the time I posted the townread on you was posting that I liked the mindset behind of as being something that it looked like it was genuinely trying to solve the game in.

Earlier I thought it was weird that u didn’t scumread me since u always do when we’re both town.
Now I’m absolutely 100% convinced
I don’t think u have a read on me at all
I think u just know I’m town because r scum
VOTE: mastina

In 1106, JJH said that people were giving vague generalizations to

townread

Bitmap and those were bad reasons to townread Bitmap for.

These Alisae quotes you quoted are reasons to

scumread

mastina. That analogy doesn't work, because the generalization is working in a different direction and besides jjh isn't scumreading mastina. Vague reasons to scumread mastina should probably only serve to reinforce jjh's read there. Basically, how do you expect jjh to have reconsidered his reads based on these quotes?

Also to clear the air real quick, do you like post 685 by Alisae or not? How does this post impact your own read on mastina?

I'm not sure if there are some internally inconsistent thoughts here or if there's some language barrier that I'm not getting through.

You get a cake for processing this.
Jjh claimed that people are off about bitmap, because of generalization. The universal approach of this says that different people are off about -insert someone-, because of generalization. As you see in 1122 i used term 'side'. I was referring there to people, which might have their reads off about mastina, i wasn't referring to just jjh himself. Just like jjh wasn't talking about his read on bitmap.
By itself i am not sure how serious is 685 or which parts are serious or not. I am still working on this.

[Kerset]

I think definitely do indicate alignment and I'm particularly interested in what happens after Kerset reappears following disappearing mid conversation

I was talking with you for a hour and you didn't make any mental progress. If this was the mid for you then there is no hope for you.
To be more serious i don't believe that your intentions in this exchange are to learn anything. You want to omgbus and make questions for sake of casus beli. You pretty much showed this as soon as you left your comfort zone.

[Kerset]

Chemist you missed 1111

[jjh927]

You know ofrhz said the same thing I did but in different words right

[Kerset]

Legends of Hidden Speakeasy II

Also I have reads from NSG but it’s mixed in with RC since we were discussing about it in discord. I’ll paraphrase it later when I’m home from work.

Did you get the chance to do this?

So RC thinks we can find scum but thinks the gamestate is at a point where giving reads is not a good time right now. He thinks when we or when anyone else catches scum, it'll be pretty easy for scum to push either my slot or mastina. This needs to be resolved before there can be any serious approach to hunting for scum.
Even if Mastina is town we should just lynch her if the 1v1 keeps going, and even if she's scum we would take the forced ceasefire so that we can actually gamesolve and as her pro-town option.

NSG has no intention of giving reads right now as well until this whole thing settles.

Sure but you probably shouldn't make something a bigger thing than it is in a post in which you say you're trying to deescalate and make it less of a thing

So basically:
Bitmap got read from RC, back in time when the '1v1' was main topic.
He got asked for it but had no time to say it.
He post it later.
You blame him for derailing your current topic.

[jjh927]

I'll put it in words that cannot be misunderstood

I scumread Bitmap
Other people are townreading him for shitty generalisations that are being used as counterarguments to the main reasons I scumread him
I have stated that these arguments are bad, and furthermore why I think they are bad, and that there appear to be quite a lot of them
This is in order to convince other people they are wrong

The examples you have provided about generalisations about Mastina basically amount to Alisae saying Mastina should scumread Alisae. I don't think this is a very good argument either.

If you think people might have their reads off about Mastina because of generalisations such as that one, then WHY ARE YOU VOTING MASTINA

[jjh927]

Oh you beautiful scumbutt

Since you've made 1260 and all you may as well tell me whether the gamma slot is indeed the other scumbuddy

[Kerset]

You know ofrhz said the same thing I did but in different words right

You can say this about any question that someone makes. You tired everything you could.

[Bitmap]

Reundo, how much experience do you have in mafia?

[jjh927]

Is it bad that I'm thinking about how 1264 is right on cue

[Kerset]

I'll put it in words that cannot be misunderstood

I scumread Bitmap
Other people are townreading him for shitty generalisations that are being used as counterarguments to the main reasons I scumread him
I have stated that these arguments are bad, and furthermore why I think they are bad, and that there appear to be quite a lot of them
This is in order to convince other people they are wrong

The examples you have provided about generalisations about Mastina basically amount to Alisae saying Mastina should scumread Alisae. I don't think this is a very good argument either.

If you think people might have their reads off about Mastina because of generalisations such as that one, then WHY ARE YOU VOTING MASTINA

Stop changing the subject. It is not about rating the generalization. It is about the fact that you didn't consider this as possibility in both directions. Your scumreading worked in favor of attacking bitmap and no other purpose, because you refused to consider povs. Other possibility obviously existed and with some time i show you such posts. It is something like saying that X is a scum because he never votes, when there are 3 players, who does the same thing. Genuine person will look through every person to see whenever they make votes as all. Evil person will call out his desired target for lack of voting and ignore other people for sake of his agenda.

so as i said

I was talking with you for a hour and you didn't make any mental progress. If this was the mid for you then there is no hope for you.
To be more serious i don't believe that your intentions in this exchange are to learn anything. You want to omgbus and make questions for sake of casus beli. You pretty much showed this as soon as you left your comfort zone.

[Bitmap]

Is it bad that I'm thinking about how 1264 is right on cue

I think when I flip town, you and mastina should just get vigged so town can stop throwing.

[Bitmap]

I think there's a good chance that scum is hard defending me because they know I'll flip green and am an easy lynch which gives them a vehicle to push jj and mastina to the wall and control game state.

But I really don't care anymore so... yeah.

[Alisae]

ok so those are scumreads LOL

How so?

It’s a pretty generic readlist that can adapt to any wagon in the gamestate. Perfect for trying to read the table.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you missed 1111

I did not

It wasn't a question so I didn't feel like I had to respond to it

[Alisae]

Wagoning kerset omegalul

[Alisae]

Bit u should go back to voting mastina imo

[Bitmap]

If this wagon doesn't kick off, I'm going back.

[Alisae]

Who is gonna reasonably support it other then u and shadoweh