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[Ankamius]

a thought just occurred to me

Deas, how much are you basing your interpretation of my game off starry night?

[nomnomnom]

I think we should also out neighbors in general. Not the powers, just the composition of the neighborhoods.

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of which, don't forget to check if you're voteless next VC.

[Ankamius]

and it's not weird at all that people came in suggesting to lynch within that neighborhood immediately and to create lists of what order people would be willing to lynch each slot?

No, I think the only weird part is that this was suggested today, as opposed to yesterday. This plan could have perfectly been proposed yesterday but this was only suggested at start of day, so this could signify that scums want to push this now and coordinate this, for one reason or another.

did you take this into account when you made your initial post?

[kuribo]

volxen looks townier as scum

Boy howdy that's some ass backward reasoning to call someone scum

that was a direct response to deas???

I don't care who it's in response to it's a weird reasoning.


You vote the guy, DV asks why, you say the guy you're voting looks townier as scum. You obviously think he's scum or else why are you voting him? But if your reason is he looks too townie, then I have to question if you're just pulling stuff out of the aether because there are better reasons to vote someone than they look townier as scum on day 2.

I dont feel like this is some insane leap of logic on my part, this is me questioning why you voted someone for looking "townier as scum."

[nomnomnom]

and it's not weird at all that people came in suggesting to lynch within that neighborhood immediately and to create lists of what order people would be willing to lynch each slot?

No, I think the only weird part is that this was suggested today, as opposed to yesterday. This plan could have perfectly been proposed yesterday but this was only suggested at start of day, so this could signify that scums want to push this now and coordinate this, for one reason or another.

did you take this into account when you made your initial post?

Not really.

What do you think of all of this? You seem to think this is strange and all. Explain.

[Ankamius]

volxen looks townier as scum

Boy howdy that's some ass backward reasoning to call someone scum

that was a direct response to deas???

I don't care who it's in response to it's a weird reasoning.


You vote the guy, DV asks why, you say the guy you're voting looks townier as scum. You obviously think he's scum or else why are you voting him? But if your reason is he looks too townie, then I have to question if you're just pulling stuff out of the aether because there are better reasons to vote someone than they look townier as scum on day 2.

I dont feel like this is some insane leap of logic on my part, this is me questioning why you voted someone for looking "townier as scum."

no, deas essentially asked me why I was voting somebody who popped in, said something he said was well reasoned, and vanished again

my response is that he's townier as scum, aka his logic looks better

[kuribo]

What I realized is that people deflected really quickly from the proposition to lynch in the commuter hood and pointed fingers everywhere else. Interesting.

It's not deflecting when we're talking about something that has no obvious net benefit to town and when there are better ways of hunting scum that don't involve powerFucking unknown mechanical elements

[Ankamius]

and it's not weird at all that people came in suggesting to lynch within that neighborhood immediately and to create lists of what order people would be willing to lynch each slot?

No, I think the only weird part is that this was suggested today, as opposed to yesterday. This plan could have perfectly been proposed yesterday but this was only suggested at start of day, so this could signify that scums want to push this now and coordinate this, for one reason or another.

did you take this into account when you made your initial post?

Not really.

What do you think of all of this? You seem to think this is strange and all. Explain.

because isn't it weird that it wasn't really pushed yesterday despite all the pressure on each slot, and yet the start of day was people suggesting lynching within the neighborhood without pushing any specific slot?

that's two entirely different approaches that achieves very different things

...but it's weird that this gets backlash?

[kuribo]

my response is that he's townier as scum, aka his logic looks better

And I'm saying it's ass backwards to start with "this guy is too logical and good when he's scum, he must be scum again."


It's the too townie to be town fallacy

It's the worst sort of meta read

It's tea leaves and seances

[Ankamius]

you got me kuribo

I'm voting volxen because I think he's town

[kuribo]

Yes because that's exactly what I was saying





I would rather you tell me you have no reason for voting someone at all than to try and blow smoke and sarcasm in my face

[kuribo]

Ah dammit I fucked up my youtube tag

That post just isn't as fun without this in the middle:

[kuribo]

Look what you made me do man


I'm watching you pal

[Ankamius]

because idk how the hell I'm supposed to even respond to that

that's not my reason for voting volxen, that's me telling deasvail why I don't agree with the townread

how am I supposed to respond when I literally tell you that and you keep going on about it?

[kuribo]

If you feel like I'm misunderstanding then ELI5

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

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Spoiler: Unformatted VC

GIF - (1) - nomnomnom
nomnomnom - (1) - Vex
DeasVail - (1) - MariaR
davesaz - (1) - Gammagooey
EspressoPatronum - (1) - Almost50
Ankamius - (1) - DeasVail
Volxen - (1) - Ankamius

[MariaR]

You might as well be calling me 3p right now cause I feel like I'm reading a different game than all of you.

Commuter Lynch Preference

Flavor: Volpe, GIF, NomNom
A50: Volpe, GIF, Nomnom
Ankamius: GIF, Nomnom, Volpe

This isn’t helpful. It never will be helpful. What exactly is the goal of this vote? To commute scum? Hint: Scum won’t do the kill with any of their scum teammates in this list. To protect a player? Hint: Scum won’t kill anyone in it either. Like, this is just taking a power and making it useless when the best way to use this is to shut up and do it silently. If scum is in the hood oh well the power is pretty useless already. If not you’re making it useless.

much more likely to come from "pissed off" town than from scum calculating how to maximize AtE for their benefit. Especially considering that post from Nom came only one minute after the post from Farkran that Nom was responding to -- I don't think that scum!Nom would think to fake the "no names" thing that quickly. And as Farkran pointed out (1748), Nom's anger/frustration escalated as the exchange continued, which I think is somewhat town-indicative as well.

First of all, anger Ate is the easiest thing to fake, wanna know why? Because you don’t need to fake it. You can be genuinely upset with how someone is treating your slot as scum. Sure you can exaggerate it but even then it’s not like you need to go through hoops to do something about it. Other emotions are much harder to fake Second of all, this is post 5 from you and this is what you have to say to the public thread? I assume you’re posting up a storm in your hood or something, but if you’re gonna out something for all of us why this of all things? Give us some more dear lord.

I like most of your quoted posts from a theory standpoint, except the one about the value of a GiF lynch. I don't really think in those terms.

But even though it attracted some controversy at the time, I liked your point about looking on the sidelines in 1856, and I don't have an issue with a reads list that follows a post count trend.

I don't find anything about you to be overwhelmingly town, but I generally like the content of your posts, even if a lot of it is not incredibly AI to me.

There are some people that you could argue as being on the sidelines (such as Gamma and Kuribo), that I think are more likely town.

In a lot of ways I do feel like A50 is an active linesman. And Espresso a less active linesman.

I wish you did something. I don’t mean that as in you’re useless or anything, but more of the fact I don’t get anything new from the table in regards to you DV. Like it feels like everything you say is in response to others or carried off from someone else. I don’t see you doing anything original. It’s just coasting along even like a solid push on a player would be good. But it just feels like your play is super safe, and in a game like team mafia that level on safety doesn’t sit well with me.

TL;DR knowing hood members might help us out in the long run. Sharing this info is low risk because scum already knows the information anyway.

Outting who has a hood with each other was stupid in the first place but considering we did some of that day 1 it’s kinda late for that. But I don’t see any reason to fully do it and just put ourself out on a line like that.

[Ankamius]

maria have any of your partners caught up with the game at all

[MariaR]

What I realized is that people deflected really quickly from the proposition to lynch in the commuter hood and pointed fingers everywhere else. Interesting.

This would be interesting if people did want to start lynching in it considering you said really stupid information.

I think we should also out neighbors in general. Not the powers, just the composition of the neighborhoods.

This is so bad oh my lord why do we want this outted exactly? We know what neighborhood people flip in it's not like people will be 'hidden' as the last member. You're just giving scum easy access to not give the last standing powers to whoever they want.

+1 to Kuris scum read on EP

I'ma bash my head on a wall

[MariaR]

maria have any of your partners caught up with the game at all

I've actively told my team not to help me with this game unless I ask for it. Why?

[Ankamius]

I'm just looking for more takes really

[MariaR]

Takes on who? They're willing to give them I just haven't asked cause this game is (B

[Ankamius]

idc as long as it makes any sense

this game in general hasn't made sense to me in a long time

[MariaR]

Well I'm right here ya know You more than anyone should know my opinion on where I think this is gonna go