Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

I never said you were.

You were careful about phrasing in a way that RCE wasn't.

I'm stepping in to make sure that you bringing the topic up doesn't lead to someone saying something that shouldn't be said.

[the worst]

no worries, good call.

[MathBlade]

I'll consent that 'stop defending my townreads' isn't exactly fair unbiased phrasing but the point is true that I wanted to take a proactive role in defending my townreads because I hated some of the wagons and Duck got mad and threatened me with a PL.

I don't think hating my postcount because I'm making the game difficult to play is mutually exclusive because I was making this game hard for scum.

You’re making this hard for me too and I am not scum.

The way you post makes this game like a chat room vs forum.

I replaced in as a favor to my sister and it’s been really hard to keep up.

Not every post needs your reply.

If you need a death grip on the game then that may be a cause for reflection.

[RadiantCowbells]

Normal people don't need to play like me bc normal people post Towny things get townread and can play the game normally whereas there's like dozens of really simple reasons that I'm town and dozens of more complex ones and they just don't come into question because I'm good at scum!!! and people are advocating refusing to listen to reads from me because they come from me so yes I swing the pendulum the other way.

This would all have been easier for everyone if I was townread for being towny and capable of pushing a lynch via strength of argument, which I largely can't right now because any argument I put forth gets outweighed by ...."yeah but he COULD still be scum right because he's RC???"

Like Skitter and Duck and you are good as scum too but you can reasonably earn townreads by being consistently towny, I just have literally no combination of mechanical or play reasons that are good enough to townread me.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I'm too good at finding scum for my reads not being taken into account to not dramatically drop towns shot at winning... so you get this.

Think I want to be threadsitting all the time?

But no, brute Force and calling for BOP are the only ways for me to influence town so they are what I resort to.

I'm not playing for a long time after this but if you want my play to change your approach to me has to change with it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like it's REALLY obvious duck is scum

And I'm sure when I flip town and everyone goes back to try to understand my case they'll be like uhh wait wtf there's no way any of this comes from town and he'll be lynched and this won't be a problem

BUT

Any of you can have that consideration that I have to earn through death it repeated scum lynches just by posting a case. I can't. I get by. When I was townread for being Towny I was okay to be not like this but when people decided it was time to start calling me policy scum I had to change course. I'm not going to lose because people want to PL me. Let me live my life and I'll let you live yours.

[the worst]

this is me not engaging in another circular bullshit storm

[RadiantCowbells]

This is another way of saying that, bluntly, I have no sympathy because from my perspective I was forced into this role.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless you think I should just be fine with being inevitably lynched for who I am. Which I'm not and never going to be.

[tris]

I've not been responding to things so I can catch up quicker but i thought i ought to reply to a case against me.

@rc, why DID you respond for me?

what's the point of this question?
why is it scum indicative that I "garciad", like I was clearly pushing someone else and this is well within standard play both for me and people in general.

I wasn't saying you were scum for that. I just wanted to know why you did that.

Tris I'd mostly a meta tone read. The way she omgus voted Math is reminiscent of her townplay in Port Arthur when scum pushed for her mislynch early.

that is one of the games that contributes to my experiences of scum trying to mislynch me. although, as my interactions with math continued, it did seem to be possibly different here. as i think i said days ago i'll have to review that.

this is incredibly roundabout and waffly and vague!

I'll explain more then. In a number of games I've played, a mafia has pushed for me as mafia for reasons that when interrogated don't really hold up. I think I can sometimes seem like an easy target to scumread because I can be little weird or whatever. Often this has been something that happens early Day 1 or based on something from early Day 1. MathBlade pushing me for the party hat stuff felt like one of those times. But, as I interacted with him more, it seemed more like he was just trying push things to quickly get out of RVS.

I don't know exactly what to make of skitter, like I mostly agree with her views on a lot of things and her reasoning is all quite *reasonable* but I don't know enough to say if that impression should give other than a null read on her right now

if that's all you get from skitter, then that means she's probably scum. I find that when she's town, she has a little extra that comes through. that said, i think i saw a bit of town early on, but i'm not sure. it will of course be more clear when i've seen her post more.

This is three things: incredibly waffly, incredibly vague, and it kind of sets someone else up to scumread you while not actually committing to the read from her end.

sets someone up to scumread me? Do you mean sets myself up to scumread someone else? if that's what you mean, i can see why you'd get that impression, but my read wasn't solid at that point. i was leaning towards town though.

You think that my scumreads are town and if I successfully flip them scum and live you're just going to go after me for it.
I'm not doing this again. If you're scum I'm ripping the bandaid off,

if you're town I'm not letting you lead another game off a cliff.

And it's really rich for you to talk about my record reading you.

I really do not like the bolded. it's not like skitter was really leading town anywhere at that point.

Like you're within rights to not like it but this is taking my words overly literally imo
Even if you scumread this as town I think you scumread it more deeply/broadly rather than for this nitpicky 'contradiction'
like I don't think as town the first thing you get out of this post is 'well technically skitter aint leadin SHIT'

I wasn't being technical. i was disagreeing with the whole idea that skitter as town was going to be some malign influence leading town astray. i really hated the idea of policy lynching skitter of all people.

[tris]

if that's all you get from skitter, then that means she's probably scum. I find that when she's town, she has a little extra that comes through. that said, i think i saw a bit of town early on, but i'm not sure. it will of course be more clear when i've seen her post more.

(i'm doing a few things at the same time sorry)

ya i didn't like this because it sounded like she was trying to make people paranoid of me

well i wasn't trying to do that i think you're town

[tris]

Like she didn't call me scum for the overarching meaning, she called me scum for one specific phrase that I used. And she interacted with that specific phrase on an extremely shallow level.
I would have been more fine with it if she scumread me more broadly (ie scumread me for the general act of going after you in that way) or if she zeroed in on what she did in a deeper way.

i wasn't calling you scum! i just hated where that sentiment was leading!

[skitter30]

A50 is actually reading the game now and he thinks ari is town fwiw as of pg7

[skitter30]

I don't suppose Eddie/my comments were persuasive?

I didnt actually read them due to the ~argument~ but i shall take a look a little later and get back to u

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok well if you don't want to lynch Duck we should lynch Ari

[RadiantCowbells]

Or just lynch me so I don't have to be a party to this.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, I'm not ruffled.

I don't think I take things personally. But, I like to drill into people who attacking me for reasons i don't get. i've found that sometimes comes from scum.

Maybe I stated that badly. You don't seem ruffled. Your responses just sounded a but defensive and the followups a tad contrived.

Also literally anything can come from scum sometimes. Town tells can come from scum sometimes! This is so empty.

This and this alone is the reason Ari is scum btw.
Town him has more meaningful commentary than repeatedly falling the people he is voting contrived (note exact same phrase used to describe Flopz).

Like A50 has a bad townread. Ok. I'm over it.

[RadiantCowbells]

And TW bringing up Eddie Cane every other post to try to spew himself town is just stupidly blatant.

[skitter30]

Rc when this game is over i think we're going to need to have another talk about the differences in how we approach this game

[RadiantCowbells]

You have the privilege of approaching the game you do

You're a universal townread for less than 1/5th of how clear it is that I'm town. If I could be townread being like you and able to push my lynches nicely I'd do that

[RadiantCowbells]

I literally can't even vote my preferred lynch because everyone had written it off out of hand because it comes from me. That's a problem innit?

[RadiantCowbells]

Do u think anyone would ever to you be like "lolno you might be scum so we shouldn't vote anyone you scumread"

[RadiantCowbells]

I think we should just hammer Ari because this gamestate with Duck trying to out townspew his bad ari associatives is really unhealthy.

[teacher]

@skit I’ll be around later tonight if you want to chat about anything. I get it, but tbh just don’t care to be in this lobby much this week. I feel like I’ve gotten what I’m going to get and am fine w the flip. If that doesn’t make sense to you, not sure I can add much but happy to try.

[RadiantCowbells]

Then I die, then you lunch Duckling, then you all are on your own. Still think that says Tris/Plum/Xtoxm buddies but really do whatever you want after that.