Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[popsofctown]

Yeah I think both!Eddies avoid using c/p so that's not something to really read into. Be sure if you use any of your teammate's stuff you also don't c/p

[Eddie Cane]

i haven't seen anyone calling hectic or bob town.

oh okay so as you're casing me you don't know my reads?

where have i cased you? you're exhausting

[pisskop]

I think that's the sort of thing that's supposed to be modkill territory for team mafia D:

uhhhh... ignore me then please, I had no idea.

I personally dont, but I do think its getting a little tasteless.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically, Nancy, Eddie is being you in MD2

Tell me he's not

How is he being like me in MD2? Have either of you possibly considered this could be a TvT?

[Krazy]

Though Ank and Tom have read all this and have him as their top scum now. The 1 hour thing, the posturing, etc is all bad to me though. Especially since Pops is calling him scummy, naked voted him, yet he votes with pops on me with no questions, after his last post about me has me leaning town. Seems like unnatural progression, especially without a qualifier voting that it is out of frustration or policy rather than scumminess.

Town writes this 0% of the time

Tom didn't write that?

So ready to try to discredit you can't be bothered to read a 7 word post?

[Something_Smart]

idk i haven't seen anyone calling hectic or bob town.

Hi I've called both of those players town lol

[Eddie Cane]

Basically, Nancy, Eddie is being you in MD2

Tell me he's not

How is he being like me in MD2? Have either of you possibly considered this could be a TvT?

I have considered. He is posting, like, actual garbage though.

The wagon on me is not all town, and Oka is townier by a margin, so its Piss / Krazy / Pops and Piss is townier than the othe two. So vote Pops if you still think Krazy is town.

[Krazy]

How is he being like me in MD2? Have either of you possibly considered this could be a TvT?

Overreactions within overreactions basically

You probably don't feel it because you weren't really reading you in MD2

[Eddie Cane]

Though Ank and Tom have read all this and have him as their top scum now. The 1 hour thing, the posturing, etc is all bad to me though. Especially since Pops is calling him scummy, naked voted him, yet he votes with pops on me with no questions, after his last post about me has me leaning town. Seems like unnatural progression, especially without a qualifier voting that it is out of frustration or policy rather than scumminess.

Town writes this 0% of the time

Tom didn't write that?

So ready to try to discredit you can't be bothered to read a 7 word post?

lol oops

[Nancy Drew 39]

a little overkill.

it's a little overkill because he got caught backpedaling a townread for no reason and now is overreacting

When did he do that? He never said he stopped tr Amrun. The entire kerfuffle was about him only mentioning Amrun in one post, then him saying she wasn’t the top tr. That’s not even close to being in the same ballpark as what you’re alleging.

[Something_Smart]

I'm down with calling town Tom.

I agree with most of Eddie's Tomreads.

[Hectic]

I didn't like him suggesting Tom's tomreads were good by insinuating Tom was Tom though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

How is he being like me in MD2? Have either of you possibly considered this could be a TvT?

Overreactions within overreactions basically

You probably don't feel it because you weren't really reading you in MD2

ISO me in MBoS and tell me I didn’t way overreact in that. You know that sort of thing is 100% NAI for me.

[Hectic]

@Eddie: The best thing for you to do here if you're town is to paraphrase Ank and Tom's cases on Krazy and post that here. I don't understand why you haven't already done that.

Remind me again why you aren't doing this? Is there any specific reason?

[Eddie Cane]

Can anyone on your team link me to a Krazy scumgame where he did this sort of thing? My knowledge of scum!Krazy just extends to him wanting to lurk, coast and hide.

Ank just went to bed. Tom answer though:

- no
- he has never played this way as either alignment
- tom's self-checking
- its within his scumrange? fuck yes
- its townie? fuck no
- is krazy scum? appears that way
- krazy has shown self-awareness of meta and the range to tweak it so reading him as if its the same as a past game is unsatisfactory
- most similar game is AvP but different as well
- ignoring meta, his iso is (a) questions that only go somewhere when trying to undermine someone, (b) very surface level, overqualified, and slow-to-form reads, and (c) the only real classic Krazy posts are [idk how to paraphrase this part] pockety
- tom's not using meta, so he wants more input from ank before going all in, but he's generally just scum

[Krazy]

He never said he stopped tr Amrun. The entire kerfuffle was about him only mentioning Amrun in one post, then him saying she wasn’t the top tr. That’s not even close to being in the same ballpark as what you’re alleging.

I mean if not then he was equivocating and making it unclear what it meant that she wasn't his "top townread" and was vaguely combative for literally no reason other than to goad me. So either he's manipulative and equivocal or he was backpedaling a read and in neither scenario do I see a clear town rationale for approaching the game and our conversation like that

I did try to ask if he was just awkward and he made no real effort to clarify what was going on in good faith before trying to case me again, instead just instant defensiveness

[Krazy]

- he has never played this way as either alignment

but you don't mention this when saying that Ank is arguing I'm scum based on meta?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tom gave me an updated reads list:

{Titus, Nancy}
{Oka}
{SS, Hectic, Amrun}
{Elsa, Piss, Pine, NaCl}
Pops - he doesn't know, bob - he needs my feedback, ddl - who
{Krazy}

Ank's reads are here (removed myself again)

Titus/Okapoka/Amrun
Nancy Drew 39/Something_Smart/Pine/Hectic/bob3141
Elsa Jay/DrDolittle
popsofctown/pisskop
Krazy/NaCl

This is a longshot, but does anyone know if Tom usually uses curly brackets for reads, and Ank usually use forward slashes? Sounds dumb but might be worth looking into.

It’s a paraphrase, you’re not allowed to direct quote anything.

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie: The best thing for you to do here if you're town is to paraphrase Ank and Tom's cases on Krazy and post that here. I don't understand why you haven't already done that.

Remind me again why you aren't doing this? Is there any specific reason?

Well I just did by accident because I asked Nancy's question in my discord and that's how Tom's answered

They didn't really write cases. Cases aren't really how actual reads work. I think the shortform answer is laziness. Ank's points against krazy, past just the many times i've said "is krazy still scum" "yes", was like a long thing citing like 10 different games i didn't play in. I do not want to spend an hour or two finding random games based on shortform acronyms (such as "sobs2" or something), paraphrasing very specific phrasing analayzing, and etc. Its a lot of work and its not fun work.

[Eddie Cane]

- he has never played this way as either alignment

but you don't mention this when saying that Ank is arguing I'm scum based on meta?

Tom answer

[Amrun]

@Krazy: Why is Eddie being pedantic and cagey AI?

I do agree he’s being pedantic and cagey, FWIW, just not that it’s scummy.

Krazy, can you answer this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Eddie, can you link me to a scumgame where Krazy played like this.

. Because my experience with scum!Krazy is for him to either lurk, coast and hide as much as possible.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Eddie: The best thing for you to do here if you're town is to paraphrase Ank and Tom's cases on Krazy and post that here. I don't understand why you haven't already done that.

Remind me again why you aren't doing this? Is there any specific reason?

+1

Yes, this is also bothering me since from what you’ve posted, their reads are strongly metabased.

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie, can you link me to a scumgame where Krazy played like this.

. Because my experience with scum!Krazy is for him to either lurk, coast and hide as much as possible.

i just gave tom's answer nancy... i can go try and find an old ank answer if you want but she hasn't answered my @ yet

[Krazy]

Yes, once again you make a surface level response to a question.

No shit it's tom's answer, but Tom and Ank are giving *different reasoning* in their arguments but apparently you don't clarify this with Ank before deciding to present an unrealistic "unbroken front" of reads?

Like, would Ank do that? To some extent, maybe, but I feel like you are forcing Tom to come up with reasons he scumreads me which is why his responses seem so 'blah.'