Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Eddie Cane]

PAGETOP

VOTE: Pops

[Eddie Cane]

bob/Nancy/Hectic
Amrun
Titus
Oka/SS/NaCl
Pine
Elsa/Piss/DDL
Pops / Krazy

I feel like

really good that eddie / bob / nancy / hectic / amrun / titus is all town btw
and i would not be shocked if all 3 were in pine / elsa / piss / ddl / pops / krazy

[Krazy]

I mean it could have been a playstyle thing with DoubtingThomas but it wasn't, even though he kept trying to make it seem that way by saying he just came from other sites etc. etc.

When people make cheap excuses for anti-town behavior they are +rand scum. He's explaining himself a bit better than DT did, sure, but the baseline strategy of over-reaction to muddy the waters is still there. Don't confuse AtE for conviction

[Krazy]

and i would not be shocked if all 3 were in pine / elsa / piss / ddl / pops / krazy

so vote pine

[Eddie Cane]

I was scum with DT on MU once. It was a really easy win.

[Eddie Cane]

and i would not be shocked if all 3 were in pine / elsa / piss / ddl / pops / krazy

so vote pine

Why would I vote somebody I town lean over somebody I scum read who has a bigger wagon?

[popsofctown]

POSTURING

@nd I still think Amrun is scummy but I think Krazy is making good points about Eddie and that Eddie is much scummier. I keep getting feelings I was right about Eddie in the first place, he keeps doing things that match my original interpretation of boldscum even if he is nicer in the neighborhood.

With Amrun she just continues to underwhelm me, but enough people said I might be wrong on that read that they can't all be scum and I'm a lot more willing to believe maybe I messed up.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't even think I'm not being nice?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m hard vetoing Eddie lynch.

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Alisae, mastina making a good list is why I was wrong on her for the vast majority of Story Revisited.

Mastina's favorite thing to do as scum is to make lists that look good.

I refuse to believe town mastina ever writes 6364. She knows Ank too well to think Ank ever fucking investigates me night 1. Like yeah, mastina being wrong on me is not new, but mastina spreading disinformation about Ank is just no. I don't know what it says about Mena, maybe she's spewing him town or something and I was wrong there, but that line is not a thought that passes through town mastina's mind.

Everything else can come from wrong-mastina, yes, but I really don't think that does.

@Krazy I think you were playing quite differently in that game and I think had I been it, I might have voted you. You’re not being a lamisty tryhard, which I don’t believe I’ve ever seen from you ever.

This post concerns me because you are also mention in this game that you don’t believe the reads Eddie gave are real.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I still think Krazy sounds more genuine here. I thought he sounded beyond fake af in that game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

POSTURING

@nd I still think Amrun is scummy but I think Krazy is making good points about Eddie and that Eddie is much scummier. I keep getting feelings I was right about Eddie in the first place, he keeps doing things that match my original interpretation of boldscum even if he is nicer in the neighborhood.

With Amrun she just continues to underwhelm me, but enough people said I might be wrong on that read that they can't all be scum and I'm a lot more willing to believe maybe I messed up.

I don’t think either one is scummy.

[Eddie Cane]

If nothing else, this is helping me double down on nancy!town

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m hard vetoing Eddie lynch.

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Alisae, mastina making a good list is why I was wrong on her for the vast majority of Story Revisited.

Mastina's favorite thing to do as scum is to make lists that look good.

I refuse to believe town mastina ever writes 6364. She knows Ank too well to think Ank ever fucking investigates me night 1. Like yeah, mastina being wrong on me is not new, but mastina spreading disinformation about Ank is just no. I don't know what it says about Mena, maybe she's spewing him town or something and I was wrong there, but that line is not a thought that passes through town mastina's mind.

Everything else can come from wrong-mastina, yes, but I really don't think that does.

@Krazy I think you were playing quite differently in that game and I think had I been it, I might have voted you. You’re not being a lamisty tryhard, which I don’t believe I’ve ever seen from you ever.

This post concerns me because you are also mention in this game that you don’t believe the reads Eddie gave are real.

@Krazy, please comment on this and why you don’t believe Eddie’s reads here are real.

[Krazy]

Like, Nancy, let's look at one read.

All 3 of these people have votes, but I would like to propose a town bloc of Titus, Oka, SS.

I rescind my town bloc.

Look at 1342. This post is meant to be provocative right? First of all it's annoying, because he doesn't remind me people who his townbloc 500 posts ago was. This sort of provocative tone makes it seem like it's a big deal, maybe, right?

@Oka I need you to do a reads list please. Losing faith.

Sure, if we look back, it seems like his read of Oka was downgrading, but...

{Amrun, NaCl, Nancy, Oka, SS, Titus} - will not vote today
{Pine, Pisskop, bob, Hectic} - don't really want to vote today
{elsa, ddl} - if needed would policy vote today
{krazy, pops} - want to vote today


is this a good enough reads list?

What was the point of 1342, then? Did Oka do something in that time to redeem his townbloc status? If being downgraded from townbloc doesn't mean he's actually considering voting Oka today, then again, what was the point of 1342? He likes to really broadcast that he's had some sort of big read change, but no read change has actually occurred. It feels like he's more selling the idea that his reads are changing than that they are.

Compare to here--

bob/Nancy/Hectic
Amrun
Titus
Oka/SS/NaCl
Pine
Elsa/Piss/DDL
Pops / Krazy

Oka who previous was townbloked has now degraded significantly more than he did between 841 and 1632, and what happened between 1632 and 2046?

Like he sells it as a "spicy" reads list again, trying to draw attention to the fact that he's changing a few things around, but while it's a "bigger" change than his previous over-exaggerated post about the town bloc being rescinded, it still doesn't really make sense. And for a "spicy" post the bottom tier is still identical, so again, why sell it as "spicy"?

Conversely, with Amrun he makes a lot of posts saying he wants read from jjh, reads from skitter. It's not clear why ank likes the skitter post summaries, but he gets literally nothing about jj, who isn't reading the game. Seems fair but then it's a legitimate question, where is his amrun read coming from? Why does he feel like the amrun read was at the top of his reads list in posts like those I mentioned earlier (which now he basically says he was over-exaggerating to start driving a wagon), but he gets evasive when I ask why Amrun is top town. ("She's not top town..." -- which implies that she's degraded more than she really has, but then he doubles back and says she's still town he was just being pointlessly cagey and evasive earlier).

Why does town feel compelled to 'sell' the idea that they're doing reads more than the reads themselves? Like with the townbloc stuff, at this point it feels more like he was just trying to get people like responding to being in his townbloc or not, given the way he makes a weird post about Oka without really expanding on it. It just feels more manipulative than actually analytic.

So:
-Oka read feels more manipulative than analytic to me
-Amrun read feels weird and he chose to get into a fight rather than explaining it like town would
-Some of the reads (SS, etc.) feel kinda consensus but he's over-selling a few near-consensus townreads (bob) as "spicy" which is kinda fake
-I don't feel like he's actually trying to sort me but instead just wants to get into fights with me, which is the way some scum who don't know me operate (rb comes to mind)

[Eddie Cane]

Lol

[Krazy]

Like 1342 just doesn't feel like something town writes for such a minor and temporary change to their reads, although who knows, maybe he'll now say Oka has been null for 800 posts and he wrote 1632 that way just for shits and giggles

[Krazy]

Lol

Also his one-liner snipes feel weaker as the game goes on

[Eddie Cane]

Lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is giving me a headache, did you answer my question about your post in AvP vs. this one?

I’m not voting Eddie

.

and I will hard veto that wagon.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: pine

okay it was a fun ride everyone

[OkaPoka]

this comment will make me a very evil person and called very mean things such as insensitive to real life

but pine is strategically lurking methinks

[OkaPoka]

and i feel like with how the thread is moving

there is a decent chance that eddie/pops could be tvt but also if we lynch one we are going to chain lynch the other and i dont feel confident enough on marking them SvT yet

with that said

back to pine

[Eddie Cane]

Oka I'm not not voting either krazy or pops, at this point. Even if 1 of the 2 is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Krazy, remember how I wanted to vig scum!SS over Elsa in LNT and we got into a big fight about it? You and anyone who’s ever played with me, knows I trust my reads -

as long as I’m super confident on them

- over anything else - and I’m extremely confident on Eddie town.

[Eddie Cane]

Are you still extremely confident krazy is town?