White Flag - TM2020

[Auro]

So you care more about the single rvs vote on wgeurts from NSG that is in no way a danger to wgeurts because he has one vote and I havent seen many people saying hes on the top of their scum list.

NSG has said she isnt very involved in the thread right now and you seem to have an issue with that.

Joan said shes here and then naked votes Gob and you seem to be just aofuckingk with that for some reason.

Why worry about a vanity rvs vote at all?

Spoiler: Fact Check: Is Auro taking much issue with NSG's lack of involvement?

That said, NSG did promise we'd be townreading her once she 'plays the game', looking forward to it! Definitely not a slot we should worry about now.

NSG's being clear in her lack of effort so far, and has mentioned there are other reasons.
FF is a slot I wouldn't mind lynching D1, but NSG I wouldn't - even if there were reasons to believe she's scum, I'd put her off for a later day.

Yeah, that alone is a reason I'd avoid lynching her D1. She is also easier to sort after some gameplay, I guess (although I have lost to scum!NSG before).

NSG being easily detectable as scum helps my reasoning, in that she wouldn't pose a major threat to town early game.

If you're making up stuff, you can do far better. I was attacking Esp's attack of Gob's argument (which he

called

fallacious but quite isn't).
It's about a lack of vote change, not the vanity vote itself.
The concern about NSG is legitimate,

especially

if you view Team Mafia holistically.

[Formerfish]

I don't see why you care about her vote at all. She's admitted to not being very involved with the thread, but you think she should at least unvote. I don't think her vote is doing any damage where it is and she is still inactive.

Why don't you ask her about it when, and if, she posts.

[Formerfish]

And I don't understand what you mean about the holistic thing.

[gobbledygook]

To whoever asked me why Dong, I voted him because he is actually present and could respond to pressure. I’m not sure any pressure on NSG would make her do anything.

[northsidegal]

if i were scum, i wouldn't have any problem having rc just give me things to say. i don't have nearly as much time as i would like right now and while it really pains me to be playing this way in front of the entire site, i don't want to be killed before i can actually impact the game.

also, i don't really care to unvote if it's not doing any damage.

[Hopkirk]

Hopkirk explicitly prod dodging here. Not had any time to read over the last three days. Had 7 hours of irl/face-to-face mafia from shortly after work (7pm) to 2am (waking up at 7am) Tuesday/Thursday and othrr stuff from 6-11 on Wedensday. I don't feel guilty as other people are doing it.

Hop 'hop'. Hop

Friday I should be able to catch up.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Auro - 4

(Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

Formerfish - 3

(Dunnstral, Auro, Dannflor

Cephrir - 1

(Dongempire)

gobbledygook - 1

(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo - 1

(wgeurts)

wguerts - 1

(northsidegal)

Dunnstral - 1

(Kittymo)

Dongempire - 1

(gobbledygook)

Not Voting - 0

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Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc and wguerts

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

[Espeonage]

I could be getting completely swindled but I dislike the people on FFs wagons and am happy with the wagon I am on.

It seems really super fkn convenient if that's the scum team which means at least one of them is very likely reading this game completely differently to me.

I will say that FF's catch up was eh at best, lots of IIoA inspires not huge confidence.

[Auro]

All of the mentality stuff I am reading in Auro's posts reads to me as working out how to be town read not how to convince others of their own reads to work with others

So after more than one person asked you to look at my town games where my posts come off exactly like this, and my calling your allegation of "not working with anyone" blatantly false... You justify your vote on me because wagon composition?

Okay.

[Formerfish]

Espeonage can be town

FF I look forward to your catch up

wow me pls

VOTE: Formerfish

coherent words will have to come tomorrow

Does this mean you weren't wowed?

[Auro]

at least one of them is very likely reading this game completely differently to me.

Both of them have played with me before.

[Espeonage]

All of the mentality stuff I am reading in Auro's posts reads to me as working out how to be town read not how to convince others of their own reads to work with others

So after more than one person asked you to look at my town games where my posts come off exactly like this, and my calling your allegation of "not working with anyone" blatantly false... You justify your vote on me because wagon composition?

Okay.

I have not looked at a single one of your games and I never will. If you run your mouth with self meta you gonna end up being another mod kill to add to the pile.

[Espeonage]

I've played with them both before as well, so what? See above.

[Formerfish]

I will say that FF's catch up was eh at best, lots of IIoA inspires not huge confidence.

I disagree that its iioa, i think that my posts clearly show how i came to read the people im reading the way that im reading them. The page breakdown was mostly for me to organize my own thoughts a little and then i would expand on what I read and how i read it at the bottom of each post.

And to end it all with a full reads list, analysis of the current wagons and a vote to get current is a lot more content than you are making it out to be. If all i did were those page breakdowns then youd have a leg to stand on, but the fact that you dont even engage me on anything i posted during the catch up nor do you seem like you wanna talk about my vote or any of my reads, so I guess I question how much I care about your opinion when youve already made it up without any direct input from me.

[Auro]

I have not looked at a single one of your games and I never will. If you run your mouth with self meta you gonna end up being another mod kill to add to the pile.

What sort of dumb logic is this?
Like, seriously?

[Formerfish]

I got a flatbread from walmart for dinner tonight. It is surprisingly good.

[Auro]

I've played with them both before as well, so what? See above.

So based on their experience with me (which you lack) they don't think I'm the best vote for reasons you allege.

They must be crazy, amirite?

[Auro]

if i were scum, i wouldn't have any problem having rc just give me things to say. i don't have nearly as much time as i would like right now and while it really pains me to be playing this way in front of the entire site, i don't want to be killed before i can actually impact the game.

also, i don't really care to unvote if it's not doing any damage.

NSG I'm inclined to believe you have time for TM *for reasons*, can you come play the game kthanx

[Formerfish]

[Espeonage]

I've played with them both before as well, so what? See above.

So based on their experience with me (which you lack) they don't think I'm the best vote for reasons you allege.

They must be crazy, amirite?

I think they're wrong. Which everyone is most of the time.

And if you had read any of my games you would know that I have advocated strongly that if someone says they have self meta showing they are town and flip town it should be reflipped as they have proven trust tell posthumously.

Like I have had this stance for years and tried many many times to powerlynch people on principle.

Like the longer you go down a "this is my town meta" line without being mod killed the bigger and bigger chance that you are in fact scum by virtue of not being punished.

[Formerfish]

Great, I'm having Masquerade reminder induced PTSD, only difference is i dont have a pt with scum in it trying to go for a captured agency win this game.

[Dannflor]

hello I am ready to rumble

[Auro]

Oh God. Did I say it's my town meta?
This isn't a trust tell. This is just how I play the game in general. This is not *town* meta, it's just meta.
I didn't say I don't play like this in scum games.
If you observe the same behavior in towngames, that's evidence *against* a scumread on me for that behaviour.

If you're scumreading me for an exclusive reason X, and I show that I demonstrate X in towngames, that's grounds to reassess. Not even remotely a trust tell.

[Dannflor]

okay actually I'm ready to rumble in an hour after I eat

[Cephrir]

I've played with them both before as well, so what? See above.

So based on their experience with me (which you lack) they don't think I'm the best vote for reasons you allege.

They must be crazy, amirite?

Oh, no! This appeal to authority completely destroys my suspicions. I guess people who haven't played with someone before aren't capable of reading that person.

Like the longer you go down a "this is my town meta" line without being mod killed the bigger and bigger chance that you are in fact scum by virtue of not being punished.

While you're welcome to feel that referencing town meta points is a trust tell, it's very clear the moderators don't agree with you. No one gets modkilled for talking about their town meta, sorry, that's just not a thing.

Here are some reads from Bella:
Dunn, Kmo, hopkirk, gobble varying degrees of town
She suspects Dann, maybe auro, and especially wgeurts.

I think I should be responding to some of FF's posts. I'll do it later.