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[jjh927]

I can't even comprehend how you of all people could possibly link me posting a lot to me being scum here

[jjh927]

I'm really struggling to see a world where town you actually makes that argument

[Alisae]

well, there's a quiet gamestate that no one is really trying to proactively change.
And you are trying to proactively change it.
You do not like the gamestate, you tried to push on Bitmap that very clearly didn't work, but now you're pushing on Kerset and trying to see what will work what doesn't work.

[Alisae]

well, news flash,
Kerset is likely town and so is Bitmap
your pushes suck

[jjh927]

Yeah it's called playing the game

[jjh927]

Mastina is town and so am I

Your pushes suck

We can do this all day

[Alisae]

Yeah I think scum are going to be active in a gamestate they do not like.
You do not like this gamestate at all.

[Alisae]

Like the gamestate atm is low activity.
no one is really doing much of anything

[jjh927]

I don't like the Mastina wagon, sure

But you know my meta? Like, why is activity from me concerning to you at all?

[Alisae]

Like, I would like to point out that there was activity when Bitmap and mastina were fighitng. People were fighting each other for Bitmap or Mastina, and the game was active when those 2 were fighting.
Those 2 are not fighting and the game isn't active.

[Alisae]

I don't like the Mastina wagon, sure

But you know my meta? Like, why is activity from me concerning to you at all?

your activity is still samish for both alignments nowadays no?

[Alisae]

I think the jjh I used to know and the jjh you are now are different and its been so long that I'm not sure what the differences is anymore

[jjh927]

For day 1, yes, my activity is the same as both alignments.
It's hyperposting all the way.

[jjh927]

But you're totally neglecting the part where I interact with whoever happens to be there when I am and use that to place them and others, which is how I end up voting people like Kerset when a bunch of other people have expressed townreads there. That's not how I'd go about changing the gamestate. It involves changing people's minds.

[Alisae]

and you really haven't been changing people's minds

[jjh927]

I'm sure you know that aspect of my play. Because it used to be exclusively my townplay and sure, now I can do it as scum too, for as long as I can stay enthusiastic, but it's weird that you're seeing something I was doing as early as spring fever and interpreting it completely wrong

PEdit: Not for lack of trying. But I pointed that out because changing people's minds is A. Hard and B. Opens you up to more accountability.

[Alisae]

oooh

[Alisae]

ooooooooooh

[Alisae]

holy shit that's enlightening

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

HE'S NOT
BUT HE'S SCUMMY

I mean is he? What is he actually doing that is scummy? Shitposting? Okay, that's "NAI" as they say.

You know what? Lets just do the old CES tell. Lets see where the votes are:

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Xofelf

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

VOTE: Ari

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: LLD

VOTE: Krazy

Check the post numbers: 8,37,83,144,283,357,668,845,1168,1278,1594. Look at what was happening around those. Don't even read his other posts, just follow the vote. Where's his head at, what is he doing?

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

like I feel let down because I feel like town!jjh
just
does
more

Okay Alisae, I hate meta as much as anybody, but I went looking for this paragon of scumhunters, JJH:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Can you please walk me through what I should be looking for? Because how he interacted with people is different, because the people are different. And certainly he did more as the game developed. But I'm not seeing the large differences.

I'm well known for putting little stock in meta, but I'd love it if one of you can tell me what these damn differences are? What should I be looking for? What am I missing? This game, is as of now, 4 days old. In the town game I lynched, everything before this post was the first four days: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11083459

What was the extra stuff he did in that game? I am happy to vote with confirmed town, all the time, as long as there's at least a glimmer that the wagon makes sense. But I need the wagon to make sense to me. JJH's votes speak to me on a primal level. You could practically chart the course of his game. He:

- RVS pokes around at some people
- Votes Xofelf because it's any case is a good case when the game is a day old, it moves the game forward
- Votes Krazy because Krazy is producing zero content and he notices that.
- Votes UT because see above
- Votes Ari because lets face it, Aristophanes cheeriness has been FAKE AS FUCK and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting a little jumpy at that slot. Especially since I looked up this previous game and it TURNS OUT ARI WON THE WHOLE THING FOR PINE SOLO and lets face it, drafting the guy who won him the whole thing solo again is both cheeky and smart, and Pine is cheeky and smart.
- Votes Krazy because lets see, did Krazy add any content or do anything?
- Votes Ari because see above
- Votes Krazy because see above
- Votes LLD because he's slightly sold on the case, and voting Krazy is not getting results
- Votes Krazy because he isn't sold on the LLD wagon and Krazy is still producing zero content and he's not going to let that slide

Christ it's like Dennis the Menace dotted line trails here. I see exactly what he's doing.

Going through these and applying the mindset to Big Four
I feel like you're voting is a lot more like your town gameplay then your scum gameplay

ok you can be town sure

[Alisae]

man jjh, tbh, Spring Fever was a long time ago and I don't really remember that game.

[Alisae]

you've earned my cooperation ig

[jjh927]

I was sceptical about this but if you've read big four then the misunderstanding makes more sense

[Alisae]

I haven't read big four
I skimmed over it just now because I wanted to see if what GreyICE said would apply to here.
Just looking at that ISO now there's a big difference between your voting there and your voting here.