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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:45 am

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Hi. I have actual messages from
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She said that I've been completely mistreated this game and that is not fair for me. She believes Klick and ofrhz (there's you're town read from NSG, ofrhz) are both locktown and has weaker town reads on [Shadoweh, Jingle, Kerset]. Her scum pool is right now [Menalque, Chemise, Reundo, Alisae] and thinks out of all of them, Alisae is most likely scum.

She has more things to say but wanted to know if I was okay with paraphrasing her blocks of text and I said that's fine so expect some more NSG in this thread down the road.
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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:46 am

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night ali
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:47 am

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Ok nsg is wrong ig we kill bitmap
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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:48 am

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don't NK me im cute
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:57 am

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oh yeah RC wanted to add that he agrees on Alisae scumread and has agreed for a long time. He also agrees on NSG's townreads and thinks hito has hi equity as an Alisae partner.

But who cares what RC thinks. I'd rather sheep NSG.
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:59 am

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Ok so I flip town and then town kills you
I like this gameplan
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:00 am

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i trust the paragon more
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:07 am

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In post 908, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 901, Alisae wrote:Shadoweh Chemist Mena Kerset Bitmap
Hito Klick
GE jjh ofhrz
mastina jingle
this is pretty close to my list

I'd swap Kerset and klick and probably ofrhz and jingle
Let’s start here

separating it into 5 tiers gives something like
{Chemist, Ali, Shadoweh, Klick}
{Mena, Kerset, Bit}
{Hito, jjh, jingle}
{GE (Reundo), mastina}
{ofrhz}

this is what I’m gonna start working from with the top line being the only confident ones
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:08 am

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Sure trust the princess paragon that’s fiiiiiiine
Nsg should be able to read me correctly
If she wants to out an incorrect read u can die when I flip.
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:08 am

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Do you really think I want to play this game right now?
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:41 am

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haha sorry Ali I went to bed after posting that and now I have work. But good for you townie as shit reaction because that was pretty clearly motivated by guilt and not fear. Will engage more tonight (but late tonight cause I have Unknown Armies after work)
In post 1425, Bitmap wrote:Hi. I have actual messages from
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She said that I've been completely mistreated this game and that is not fair for me. She believes Klick and ofrhz (there's you're town read from NSG, ofrhz) are both locktown and has weaker town reads on [Shadoweh, Jingle, Kerset]. Her scum pool is right now [Menalque, Chemise, Reundo, Alisae] and thinks out of all of them, Alisae is most likely scum.

She has more things to say but wanted to know if I was okay with paraphrasing her blocks of text and I said that's fine so expect some more NSG in this thread down the road.
Once again: why vote me when I was your mastina greenflip suspicion, when you (presumably) think mastina is very likely to flip red?

Also here, have some bonus questions to drive engagement: do you disagree with my assessment above that Alisae's reaction ( and the huge spew that followed) was driven by guilt for non-cooperation vs. some more scummy motivation? What do you think was alisae-scum's thought process for eir stuff just now?

I also desperately need to hear how NSG got locktown for ofr from ofr pretty brazenly tooting around without any sorta scumread on anything. Especially with menalque in the scumpool.
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:47 am

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hito I feel like you’re pushing bad play instead of scummy play

would I be wrong on that
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:54 am

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Hello

My absence here will be explicable

Very soon
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:56 am

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I have been slightly disingenuous in my reasons for not being here but I think it should be p apparent why once I am able to reveal what the real reason is
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:59 am

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Chemist1422 wrote:hito I feel like you’re pushing bad play instead of scummy play

would I be wrong on that
gotta run but the 1-minute version is that a lot of bad play is bad because it's easy for scum to replicate, so yes there is an element of that in my play-style but it's not like 'good/bad player' and 'mafia/town pm' sit on separate axes. When bad play is totally orthogonal to intent it doesn't really give me scumpings. But things like diminishing the responsibility of your reads pre-flip or not pushing when the town consensus is way against what you want are 'bad' play if you're a townie, but 'exactly what you want' as a mafia if the town isn't about to hit you or your buddies - so it seems very sensible to push against that 'bad play', because townies can react to that accusation by playing better and helping their wincon but scum have to react to that accusation with fake work they don't wanna do and then you can catch out on bad effort or lies or etc.

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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:10 am

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Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:10 am

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The stuff about being busy bc of arriving back in France was all true tho

Anyway, I’ll now be giving this game full attention
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:15 am

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I feel so demotivated to play this game. No one beside me put thoughts in to this. Everyone just make reads based on personal relations and sheep whoever they like. Relation between mastina and jjh is so obviously sinister. Still after 58 pages people are only looking at their personal targets and take no efforts to solve the background. I don't except players to solve this game by now or look away from me. I am rather sure penguin could post all players abilities right here and people would just scroll their eyes through it without reading. Then they would nod get back to their business, without any concern what those abilities were. This is the kind of commitment that people outside of scum agenda have.
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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:28 am

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In post 1440, Menalque wrote:Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502
this is me level of paranoia about this
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:41 am

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In post 1443, Chemist1422 wrote:
In post 1440, Menalque wrote:Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502
this is me level of paranoia about this
Well it worked

Can you catch me up chem?

I did read when I said I was but by “read” I mean I skimmed it and could barely remember any of it the next day anyway
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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:42 am

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Why ya still SRing ofhrz?
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:43 am

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I’m not realistically rereading the pages I skimmed/the bits I didn’t read rn bc I spent about 2.5 hours building a
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fake case on amrun in GnR and I’m too burned out to do like, another *serious read through* of a game atm
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:44 am

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Maybe tomorrow or Sunday, we’ll see

So for now I’m just gonna be getting back into this game from here I think
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:45 am

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God that was such a stressful game, you have no idea

Amrun literally had our entire team called in lylo and had a ridiculously townie tone

But we set her up from D1 to be the lylo lynch (or a solid candidate for it) and so she just couldn’t quite sell the others on it
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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:49 am

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In post 1445, Menalque wrote:Why ya still SRing ofhrz?
I’m not really

I’m kinda just townhunting for rn
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