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Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:27 am

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Votecount 1.22

Kerset
(4): jjh927, Jingle, mastina, Alisae
hitogoroshi
(2): Shadoweh, Bitmap
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(2): Kerset, Reundo
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(1): Klick
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(1): Menalque
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(2): ofrhz, Chemist1422

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Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:28 am

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In post 1469, Menalque wrote:Bitmap what are your reads atm?
Like my own personal reads?
"I give up on trying to read you. You're unimaginably scummy, with a dose of ultra-Town thrown in for spice."
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Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:30 am

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In post 1474, Chemist1422 wrote:I’m not really trying to blow you off but I don’t really have an answer for you

I brought up a couple things early on, specifically the vote on kerset
Okay, I actually thought how she handled kerset was +town for her

And I really liked how she interacted with jingle early on, and I just think her iso has generally been her asking pertinent questions and following up when needed
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Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:30 am

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In post 1476, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:Bitmap what are your reads atm?
Like my own personal reads?
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Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:32 am

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In post 134, ofrhz wrote:I'm not very satisfied with that answer,
but my gut is telling me to just drop the subject lol


pedit: I reread the post where hito voted me, and realized hito's issue with me was asking other people to join your wagon, not my original vote on you
This was what I originally didn’t like and the kerset push felt sort of cheap to me

What questions do you like specifically

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Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:34 am

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GL hf

Let me check her iso 2 secs
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Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:39 am

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Welp, time to paranoia lynch mena, I guess.
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Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:50 am

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In post 1478, Menalque wrote:
In post 1476, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:Bitmap what are your reads atm?
Like my own personal reads?
Yes
[bitmap]
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[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
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Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:53 am

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I liked that ofhrz followed up w/ me on why i said it wasn’t totally RVS. I also think it was interesting albeit NAI that jingle didn’t ask more about this, and when he questioned her on “how would I know if I asked” I thought wanting to know why he wasn’t more curious was the natural town reason to be wondering why he didn’t ask me more about it

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In post 111, ofrhz wrote:
In post 76, Menalque wrote:VOTE: jingle
In post 77, Menalque wrote:Not entirely rvs
Why?
In post 117, ofrhz wrote:Jingle, you didn't ask Menalque the reason behind his vote. Why's that?
In post 121, ofrhz wrote:How would you know if you don't ask tho
In post 129, ofrhz wrote:
In post 122, Jingle wrote:How would I know if I asked?
No, I was asking why you weren't more curious why you were being serious voted

I don't think there's a way of knowing whether or not his vote on you matters in advance


I thought this was a valid reason to scumlean kerset and thought his push on me + jingle was opportunistic
In post 266, ofrhz wrote:
In post 220, Kerset wrote:Mena and jingle are like school bullies, who
bully bitmap because he has famous relative
. It feels like excuse to make a push rather then accurate one.
Are you talking about them asking for RC's reads in the bolded? Why is that scummy?

It makes sense to ask a known, strong player for their reads.

VOTE: Kerset
I liked this but looking back it’s prob NAI, but it just seemed frank and without agenda, but then again lying about site meta would be a terrible idea so
In post 445, ofrhz wrote:
In post 312, hitogoroshi wrote:back in my day nervously asking someone how serious their vote was before offering any comment was something disproportionately done by scum. But it's seemed kinda common in this thread so idk is this just what the kids do now? I need a meta report from someone
I don’t think this is AI
***
In post 447, ofrhz wrote:
In post 357, Menalque wrote:ofhrz is provisionally town. I TR her but I seriously misread her the last time she played scum against me so I have reservations about locking her in early
Wait what game was this?

This was tris’ mini normal that you repped out of

***

Again, I felt these were all reasonable reasons to be SRing kerset early on, and then I like that she was actually trying to get other people involved and onboard that wagon
In post 453, ofrhz wrote:@chemist: I think his entrance was bad and read awkward

- I don’t understand why his instinct was to make an rvs post when responding to a post on pg 8. By that point, there was already enough discussion to get the ball rolling in a more serious way.

- Ive already said that I disagree with the shade in , but I’m also interested in why that post didn’t contain a vote for either mena or jingle.

Kerset is still my primary scumread, and I prefer that to the klick wagon
In post 464, ofrhz wrote:Can I interest anyone in a Kerset wagon?
***

Again, very valid question seeing as from kerset’s POV you would expect him to comment on both


Second post again felt accurate to what had happened: I hadn’t pushed bitmap and kerset had called me out for something I hadn’t done
In post 512, ofrhz wrote:
In post 487, Kerset wrote:
In post 454, Menalque wrote:The fuck are people voting ofhrz for
The reason is on the same posts. I don't like this post.
In post 456, Alisae wrote:yeah guys wtf????????
Why call out as bad but not ?
In post 518, ofrhz wrote:
In post 509, Menalque wrote:I didn’t push bitmap
This was kind of my take away from your interactions too

So I was surprised that kerset had a different take
***

Then this seemed like a natural progression to me: concerns around kerset, deciding to meta and having some doubts, going through meta and reevaluating

Then prodding him for more content, generally trying to avoid getting tunnelled and sort there

I also don’t think there was a lot of push back against her read on kerset (and he’s now popped up to the biggest wagon) so I don’t see why scum!ofhrz back-pedals her read there instead of sticking to it

Spoiler:
In post 834, ofrhz wrote:
In post 826, Menalque wrote:talk to me more about Kerset?
I didn’t like some of his content. For ex, I didn’t like him saying everyone pushing bitmap was bad; the logic seemed circular there. Things like are just like unnecessary shade considering he isn’t even scumreading klick, and I did vote him as a counter to klick.

Also we were cross voting each other for a while, but I didn’t really feel like he was pushing me or making an effort to sort me beyond saying my push on him was bad

I agree with Alisae that he sounds good tonally though. I’ll take some time to look at his past scum games if he has any rn
In post 838, ofrhz wrote:WRT Kerset meta

This is his only scumgame on site:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

It’s actually really lackluster in terms of having zero fake scumhunting and forgetting to use his vote entirely. The tone is fine but a little less quippy than when he is town.

It’s possible he’s getting help here, but I think I’m actually going to table this scumread for now.
In post 1040, ofrhz wrote:Kerset, can you talk about why you're townreading Bitmap?
In post 1054, ofrhz wrote:Ugh I don’t know. I’ll take another look at this game tomorrow when I’m not sleep deprived, but I’m not really feeling this anymore

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Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:56 am

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In post 1481, Jingle wrote:Welp, time to paranoia lynch mena, I guess.
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Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:57 am

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In post 1482, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1478, Menalque wrote:
In post 1476, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:Bitmap what are your reads atm?
Like my own personal reads?
Yes
[bitmap]
[Kerset, Klick, Shadoweh]
[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
[mastina]
I’m p sure I’ve seen something about the mastina and jjh thing in your iso

Can you explain why your town reads are up out of null for me?
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Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:58 am

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I was strongly agreeing on shadoweh last time I was here but I don’t think I found either of the other two particularly towny
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Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:58 am

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Maybe klick, not sure

I think he had a good response to me having doubts about his opening
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Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:04 am

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1483 is D1 sheepable, ig. I’m gonna feel really stupid if I’m wrong, but I feel like mena lurking here might be townie? I need to analyze that because it also may be TMI.
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Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:06 am

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What do you mean it might be TMI?
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Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:06 am

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Like me lurking or my ofhrz town case?
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Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:12 am

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The lurking. It says you didn’t think I already knew your alignment here, because you were exacerbating a difference. If all of a sudden you’re inactive here and hyper active there and I know youR alignment here, I would naturally assume that you were the opposite alignment there. If we were scum together here, that would be a powerful trick, but as we both know that’s not the case.

The question is did town you not think of the implications if I was scum or tr-d me strong enough to not worry about it, or did scum you know I wouldn’t be able to be sure in either case?
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Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:15 am

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Mena are you actually just town this time?
I'm stupid paranoid after the other times we've played but your posts today are really good and your tone in general feels a lot different than in the game you were scum with Datisi.
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Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:18 am

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But then why does scum you lurk in the first place? To differentiate your behavior from that game further so I wouldn’t suspect you here after you flipped red there? Not likely, you knew flipping red over there would naturally make me more paranoid and likely to look deeper into your alignment here, regardless of the differences unless you straight up threw the other game.

So it’s more likely that you just didn’t consider that I might already know your alignment which is potentially reasonable.

What was your read on me here prior to my repping in to g&r?
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Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:21 am

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All of the most reasonable levels of play for that play point to mena town strongly, so I’m going to silence the crazy for now.

Mena/Klick/ofhrz/chem/jj is now my working town block.
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Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:22 am

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In post 1103, hitogoroshi wrote:Would like to read the best example if you have it on hand; it's kinda like mastina in that I have absolutely zero intention of walking back these locktowns today but in case we get to paranoia endtimes and I'm alive and you're not, would be nice to have the chance to break out if I'm getting snowed and being kept alive as scumpet.
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Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:23 am

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I mean the answer is the first one but I’m not necessarily expecting you to put that much stock in it given what just happened

My read on you here was I think back into null by the time you repped in
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Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:23 am

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In post 1491, Jingle wrote:The lurking. It says you didn’t think I already knew your alignment here, because you were exacerbating a difference. If all of a sudden you’re inactive here and hyper active there and I know youR alignment here, I would naturally assume that you were the opposite alignment there. If we were scum together here, that would be a powerful trick, but as we both know that’s not the case.

The question is
did town you not think of the implications if I was scum
or tr-d me strong enough to not worry about it, or did scum you know I wouldn’t be able to be sure in either case?
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Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:24 am

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hi

survived the permit test

have one more period before school ends

mena I read your wall and can somewhat agree with it tbh
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Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:25 am

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In post 1492, Klick wrote:Mena are you actually just town this time?
I'm stupid paranoid after the other times we've played but your posts today are really good and your tone in general feels a lot different than in the game you were scum with Datisi.
I think everyone is increasingly paranoid of me since I improved as scum tbh

Also yes, I am Just Town (tm)

I made a deal with the mafia gods that I’d suck it up wrt all the times I rolled scum in 2019 if 2020 could be a perfect scum-free year

What are your reads atm?
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