TM2020 | Untrod Tripod Destroys Anime! | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.22
Kerset (4): jjh927, Jingle, mastina, Alisae hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick Reundo (1): Menalque Shadoweh (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (2): ofrhz, Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

[Bitmap]

Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

[Menalque]

I’m not really trying to blow you off but I don’t really have an answer for you

I brought up a couple things early on, specifically the vote on kerset

Okay, I actually thought how she handled kerset was +town for her

And I really liked how she interacted with jingle early on, and I just think her iso has generally been her asking pertinent questions and following up when needed

[Menalque]

Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

[Chemist1422]

I'm not very satisfied with that answer,

but my gut is telling me to just drop the subject lol

pedit: I reread the post where hito voted me, and realized hito's issue with me was asking other people to join your wagon, not my original vote on you

This was what I originally didn’t like and the kerset push felt sort of cheap to me

What questions do you like specifically

also bye taking permit test

[Menalque]

GL hf

Let me check her iso 2 secs

[Jingle]

Welp, time to paranoia lynch mena, I guess.

[Bitmap]

Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

[bitmap]
[Kerset, Klick, Shadoweh]
[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
[mastina]

[Menalque]

I liked that ofhrz followed up w/ me on why i said it wasn’t totally RVS. I also think it was interesting albeit NAI that jingle didn’t ask more about this, and when he questioned her on “how would I know if I asked” I thought wanting to know why he wasn’t more curious was the natural town reason to be wondering why he didn’t ask me more about it

Spoiler:

VOTE: jingle

Not entirely rvs

Why?

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Jingle, you didn't ask Menalque the reason behind his vote. Why's that?

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How would you know if you don't ask tho

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How would I know if I asked?

No, I was asking why you weren't more curious why you were being serious voted

I don't think there's a way of knowing whether or not his vote on you matters in advance

I thought this was a valid reason to scumlean kerset and thought his push on me + jingle was opportunistic

Mena and jingle are like school bullies, who

bully bitmap because he has famous relative

. It feels like excuse to make a push rather then accurate one.

Are you talking about them asking for RC's reads in the bolded? Why is that scummy?

It makes sense to ask a known, strong player for their reads.

VOTE: Kerset

I liked this but looking back it’s prob NAI, but it just seemed frank and without agenda, but then again lying about site meta would be a terrible idea so

back in my day nervously asking someone how serious their vote was before offering any comment was something disproportionately done by scum. But it's seemed kinda common in this thread so idk is this just what the kids do now? I need a meta report from someone

I don’t think this is AI

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ofhrz is provisionally town. I TR her but I seriously misread her the last time she played scum against me so I have reservations about locking her in early

Wait what game was this?

This was tris’ mini normal that you repped out of

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Again, I felt these were all reasonable reasons to be SRing kerset early on, and then I like that she was actually trying to get other people involved and onboard that wagon

@chemist: I think his entrance was bad and read awkward

- I don’t understand why his instinct was to make an rvs post when responding to a post on pg 8. By that point, there was already enough discussion to get the ball rolling in a more serious way.

- Ive already said that I disagree with the shade in 220, but I’m also interested in why that post didn’t contain a vote for either mena or jingle.

Kerset is still my primary scumread, and I prefer that to the klick wagon

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Can I interest anyone in a Kerset wagon?

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Again, very valid question seeing as from kerset’s POV you would expect him to comment on both


Second post again felt accurate to what had happened: I hadn’t pushed bitmap and kerset had called me out for something I hadn’t done

The fuck are people voting ofhrz for

The reason is on the same posts. I don't like this post.

yeah guys wtf????????

Why call out 454 as bad but not 456?

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I didn’t push bitmap

This was kind of my take away from your interactions too

So I was surprised that kerset had a different take

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Then this seemed like a natural progression to me: concerns around kerset, deciding to meta and having some doubts, going through meta and reevaluating

Then prodding him for more content, generally trying to avoid getting tunnelled and sort there

I also don’t think there was a lot of push back against her read on kerset (and he’s now popped up to the biggest wagon) so I don’t see why scum!ofhrz back-pedals her read there instead of sticking to it

Spoiler:

talk to me more about Kerset?

I didn’t like some of his content. For ex, I didn’t like him saying everyone pushing bitmap was bad; the logic seemed circular there. Things like 488 are just like unnecessary shade considering he isn’t even scumreading klick, and I did vote him as a counter to klick.

Also we were cross voting each other for a while, but I didn’t really feel like he was pushing me or making an effort to sort me beyond saying my push on him was bad

I agree with Alisae that he sounds good tonally though. I’ll take some time to look at his past scum games if he has any rn

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WRT Kerset meta

This is his only scumgame on site:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

It’s actually really lackluster in terms of having zero fake scumhunting and forgetting to use his vote entirely. The tone is fine but a little less quippy than when he is town.

It’s possible he’s getting help here, but I think I’m actually going to table this scumread for now.

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Kerset, can you talk about why you're townreading Bitmap?

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Ugh I don’t know. I’ll take another look at this game tomorrow when I’m not sleep deprived, but I’m not really feeling this anymore

UNVOTE:

[Menalque]

Welp, time to paranoia lynch mena, I guess.

Hi jingle *waves*

[Menalque]

Bitmap what are your reads atm?

Like my own personal reads?

Yes

[bitmap]
[Kerset, Klick, Shadoweh]
[Reundo, Jingle, ofrhz, Mena, Alisae, Chemist] <- Null
[hito, jj]
[mastina]

I’m p sure I’ve seen something about the mastina and jjh thing in your iso

Can you explain why your town reads are up out of null for me?

[Menalque]

I was strongly agreeing on shadoweh last time I was here but I don’t think I found either of the other two particularly towny

[Menalque]

Maybe klick, not sure

I think he had a good response to me having doubts about his opening

[Jingle]

1483 is D1 sheepable, ig. I’m gonna feel really stupid if I’m wrong, but I feel like mena lurking here might be townie? I need to analyze that because it also may be TMI.

[Menalque]

What do you mean it might be TMI?

[Menalque]

Like me lurking or my ofhrz town case?

[Jingle]

The lurking. It says you didn’t think I already knew your alignment here, because you were exacerbating a difference. If all of a sudden you’re inactive here and hyper active there and I know youR alignment here, I would naturally assume that you were the opposite alignment there. If we were scum together here, that would be a powerful trick, but as we both know that’s not the case.

The question is did town you not think of the implications if I was scum or tr-d me strong enough to not worry about it, or did scum you know I wouldn’t be able to be sure in either case?

[Klick]

Mena are you actually just town this time?
I'm stupid paranoid after the other times we've played but your posts today are really good and your tone in general feels a lot different than in the game you were scum with Datisi.

[Jingle]

But then why does scum you lurk in the first place? To differentiate your behavior from that game further so I wouldn’t suspect you here after you flipped red there? Not likely, you knew flipping red over there would naturally make me more paranoid and likely to look deeper into your alignment here, regardless of the differences unless you straight up threw the other game.

So it’s more likely that you just didn’t consider that I might already know your alignment which is potentially reasonable.

What was your read on me here prior to my repping in to g&r?

[Jingle]

All of the most reasonable levels of play for that play point to mena town strongly, so I’m going to silence the crazy for now.

Mena/Klick/ofhrz/chem/jj is now my working town block.

[Klick]

Would like to read the best example if you have it on hand; it's kinda like mastina in that I have absolutely zero intention of walking back these locktowns today but in case we get to paranoia endtimes and I'm alive and you're not, would be nice to have the chance to break out if I'm getting snowed and being kept alive as scumpet.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80974

[Menalque]

I mean the answer is the first one but I’m not necessarily expecting you to put that much stock in it given what just happened

My read on you here was I think back into null by the time you repped in

[Menalque]

The lurking. It says you didn’t think I already knew your alignment here, because you were exacerbating a difference. If all of a sudden you’re inactive here and hyper active there and I know youR alignment here, I would naturally assume that you were the opposite alignment there. If we were scum together here, that would be a powerful trick, but as we both know that’s not the case.

The question is

did town you not think of the implications if I was scum

or tr-d me strong enough to not worry about it, or did scum you know I wouldn’t be able to be sure in either case?

This, I mean

[Chemist1422]

hi

survived the permit test

have one more period before school ends

mena I read your wall and can somewhat agree with it tbh

[Menalque]

Mena are you actually just town this time?
I'm stupid paranoid after the other times we've played but your posts today are really good and your tone in general feels a lot different than in the game you were scum with Datisi.

I think everyone is increasingly paranoid of me since I improved as scum tbh

Also yes, I am Just Town (tm)

I made a deal with the mafia gods that I’d suck it up wrt all the times I rolled scum in 2019 if 2020 could be a perfect scum-free year

What are your reads atm?