TM2020 | Untrod Tripod Destroys Anime! | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.25
Reundo (5): Menalque, Alisae, Jingle, ofrhz, mastina Kerset (2): Chemist1422, jjh927 ofrhz (2): hitogoroshi, Reundo hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap jjh927 (1): Klick mastina (1): Kerset Not Voting (0): None. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

[Jingle]

You mean Reundo and yes that was one of my thoughts

I meant preventing Kers from hammering Reundo, actually, but yeah.

This last page by Kerset seems particularly off, and I'm not sure if it's off enough that I don't want to lynch Reundo anymore but I want to figure it out either way.

I think a Kerset red flip is potentially the best thing that could happen for this game where I'm not sure a Reundo red flip has the same impact. I'm also not sure what either of them flipping green does to my thought processes and I need to consider that.

[mastina]

Do you know what does it prove? That your reads are fully based on votes, not the opposite. Bitmap is the only one, who was scumreaded by you BEFORE you were voted by him. Nice coincidence, isn't it?

Nice narrative!
Let's see how well it holds up to reality.
Your narrative: my scumreads on you and the Reundo/Gamma slot only appeared after they voted me.
So let's start with checking where those votes appear:

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: mastina

1238 for the Reundo/Gamma slot, 857 for your slot.

Let's check where my suspicion on your slots started!

So mastina, who is the scum,

Well Bitmap is a given.

My first instinct for a second is Kerset

; if I had to guess a third it'd be you.

Yup, 236 is clearly a post made after 857.

mastina you have ten scum tokens to drop into three buckets, bitmap klick gamma. how many do you put in each bucket

Seven on Bitmap, one on each of Klick/Gamma, one on the unlisted Kerset--ideally, I'd remove a token from one of the one-tokens and place it on a second of them, e.g. removing one of the tokens from Klick/Gamma and placing it onto Kerset (if I had to go on suspicions, it'd be Bitmap > Kerset > Klick ~= Gamma), but I've no qualms with voting a scumread even if it is one of my weakest two scumreads because weakest scumread is still scumread and wagon > no wagon, soooo.

I don't see any reason not to vote Klick in spite of Klick not being my strongest scumread.

391 is clearly made after 857.

Can I interest anyone in a Kerset wagon?

Explicitly so, yes.

471 is clearly after 857.

May as well give a readslist:

Menalque

Jingle

Chemist1422
Shadoweh

ofrhz
hitogoroshi
Alisae


Gamma Emerald


Klick



Kerset



Bitmap

529 is clearly after 857.

VOTE: Bitmap
I'd also vote Kerset, but I very very strongly prefer this vote.

572 was clearly made after 857. So let's check for Reundo's slot before 1238.

It is alarming that I cannot remember Gamma posting, so there's a chance that he's scum as a result.

239 is clearly a post made after 1238. After all if you drop the 1 from 1238, it's immediately one number higher, so clearly this was immediately after!

VOTE: gamma

ok you can have a pass d1
gamma posting elsewhere on site is unusual and sketchy

Mate don't you fucking DARE accredit to Menalque what Menalque stole from ME.
Mena wasn't the one who noticed Gamma's (lack of posting); you literally fucking quoted the post where *I* was the one who pointed it out.

Obviously this was after 1238.

mastina you have ten scum tokens to drop into three buckets, bitmap klick gamma. how many do you put in each bucket

Seven on Bitmap, one on each of Klick/Gamma, one on the unlisted Kerset--ideally, I'd remove a token from one of the one-tokens and place it on a second of them, e.g. removing one of the tokens from Klick/Gamma and placing it onto Kerset (if I had to go on suspicions, it'd be Bitmap > Kerset > Klick ~= Gamma), but I've no qualms with voting a scumread even if it is one of my weakest two scumreads because weakest scumread is still scumread and wagon > no wagon, soooo.

I don't see any reason not to vote Klick in spite of Klick not being my strongest scumread.

This, too, was clearly after 1238. That's how math works, right?

May as well give a readslist:

Menalque

Jingle

Chemist1422
Shadoweh

ofrhz
hitogoroshi
Alisae


Gamma Emerald


Klick



Kerset



Bitmap

Still obviously made after 1238.

Who

is

scum on Bitmap redflip? I guess you have your Kerset read, but I remember Kerset -> Bitmap having some "you are fools for this push" elements that seemed a little on the nose for scum/scum. Though I'm sneaking on for like five minutes before I leave for work so no time to actually pull up evidence.

Well Kerset is probably scum regardless but is especially likely to be scum with Bitmap. (Kerset's scumminess is independent of Bitmap's. One flipping green/red doesn't make the other green/red, but as it so happens, yes, I DO think that they are scumbuddies.)

You're correct that that's only 2/3, and the options for the third are either: "This game is easy, it's the Gamma slot" (not very likely, but you never know), or, "The last scum is one of the 'strong' players in the game that I, personally, can't catch on D1...but after one or two scumflips and nightkills and seeing their stances in regards to the flipped players and flipped players stances in regards to them, will be caught later off of these associations and simple poe work" (what I believe).

Admittedly this is only saying the slot is possible scum, but obviously it, too, was made after 1238.

So obviously, all of my suspicions came from after the slots voted me.

OH WAIT.
No, they didn't.
Every single one of my suspicions voted me

after

I was very vocal about said suspicions on the slot. Not, per your (blatantly not holding up to the facts), after.

[Alisae]

Yawn

[mastina]

Maybe Kerset is scum after all

I mean.
It should be pretty damn obvious.
That when the scum make narratives that don't hold up to actual facts.
And take contradictory stances that have no continuous trajectory to them, swapping to different stances to preserve the above (already falling to shambles) narratives.
And make broad sweeping statements that they can't back up with facts when pressed on the subject.

That yeah.
They're scum.

[mastina]

my role is Domokun, I don't have any abilities outside of my vote (so basically a VT). Sorry about the long wall and my lack of activity overall. The rest of today and tomorrow is a bit sketchy for me, but I'll try to make more time for this game if at all possible.

I am pretty sure this is a scumclaim; does anyone care to venture a guess as to why?

Hint: thinking the game is role madness, isn't the reason why.

[mastina]

I think a Kerset red flip is potentially the best thing that could happen for this game where I'm not sure a Reundo red flip has the same impact. I'm also not sure what either of them flipping green does to my thought processes and I need to consider that.

The thing to consider is not what one of them flipping green means.
One of them green means that the other and Bitmap aren't, and as would be obvious enough, there's scum in the overall town core.
It's only if both flip green that you really need to have a hard-reset of everything and start from scratch.
But that's a bridge we'd cross IF--and I cannot stress how big the 'if' is there--we'd ever come to it.

And given how I'm planning on both Kerset and Reundo flipping red, it's not a bridge I ever expect to cross.

[jjh927]

my role is Domokun, I don't have any abilities outside of my vote (so basically a VT). Sorry about the long wall and my lack of activity overall. The rest of today and tomorrow is a bit sketchy for me, but I'll try to make more time for this game if at all possible.

I am pretty sure this is a scumclaim; does anyone care to venture a guess as to why?

Hint: thinking the game is role madness, isn't the reason why.

I feel like if there was a thing I'd be able to see it

[Jingle]

I think Green Reundo actually firms up Green Ali, because scum don't tend to want to build castles on sand, if that makes sense.

I don't know that Green Kers firms up anyone, cause no one has made strong defenses there and the attacks have all had fairly sturdy foundations.

I'm pretty okay with just lynching Reundo, atp.

[Jingle]

I feel like if there was a thing I'd be able to see it

He's aware that he's at L-1 when he's less than engaged with the thread is my bet, tbh.

[jjh927]

OOOH

[jjh927]

Yeah I missed that because it's only implied by the claiming

[jjh927]

I’d prefer to wait for a claim tbh

But I mean this was the previous post

[Jingle]

Could potentially be that his character is/isn't an actual amine when mastina's is the opposite, but I wouldn't expect mastina to catch that.

Also, I'm not sure whether my character is/isn't an actual amine, so...

[Alisae]

Do you manage to write a wall and convey he subtext of “sorry guys I randed scum I hate this.”

[jjh927]

My character is definitely not an actual anime character

[Alisae]

How do you*

[Jingle]

I don't, scum is way more fun to play.

[Jingle]

And also, in TM you objectively want to rand scum because winning as scum is better for reducing the tiebreakers of other teams than winning as town.

Being scum is an advantage.

[Alisae]

I mean that how red do post conveys that its kinda crazy

[Alisae]

I mean
However has the most scum pms wins the event lol

[Alisae]

Whoever*

[Alisae]

Honestly I find it more entertaining that reundo scumreads mastina for being mastina
That’s pretty funny

[Alisae]

What more funny was that he didn’t even remember his own read list, he had Hito as null not lean town

[Kerset]

Yea lets keep narrative that saying scummy between lines with 0 effort has same weight as push. You know that i was talking about this:

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Kerset.

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Reundo

don't toy with semantics by flipping meaning of my post.