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[Flavor Leaf]

I just hate that Volpe and I are literally pushing the same thing, and somehow it’s my fault

[chennisden]

wouldn't the most obvious killer of Farkran be nomnomnom?

[chennisden]

can't believe it took me so long to think of this

[Flavor Leaf]

Surface level, maybe. That’s another reason I think scum is in the commuter hood.

[Flavor Leaf]

GIF hasn’t done much this day phase, but I feel like the length of this day has been deceiving, so i don’t think that’s AI.

[chennisden]

soooo many reasons to kill nomnomnom

massacre nomnomnom

[Flavor Leaf]

Chennis, you’re my number 3 scum read right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is that?

I don’t think you’re scum, but you’re my number 3 scum read. Does that make sense?

[volxen]

Some of Chenn’s posts from day one seem off/exaggerated.

I also doubt scum Ank fakes being in a bad headspace for this game

Do you think that scum!Ank would have all the usual sass/drive that town!Ank has and begin to limit her lynch pool/lynch possibilities in the game if she was content with gamestate?

Like, if we consider now town!nomnom getting wagoned, scum!Ank couldn't jump on her because nomnom would get sus, so throwing a TR and being lukewarm on it would be a good play to let town eat itself and...

exactly what happened??????

Honestly I'm dropping my confidence on you being town because you seem trying to justify why ank is town here rather than approaching this from a "is ank town or scum?"

The last sentence is extremely scummy

Am I overprojecting my confidence on this read? Probably

But that's because your scumreads on Ank are really weird from my POV

And the "I'm dropping my confidence on you being town" is really really obviously manipulative. You're trying to strongarm me into publicly taking a worse position on Ank

First you called Volpe’s last sentence in post 1331 (about him dropping his confidence on you being town) “extremely scummy”, then you called it “really really obviously manipulative”. How is it manipulative in particular? Volpe wasn’t calling you scum here, he was saying that he was less confident on you being town, his reasoning being (as far as I can tell) that he felt that you weren’t taking the sorting of Ank’s slot seriously. Even if you completely disagreed with Volpe’s reasons for scumreading Ank, why is the act of Volpe dropping his confidence on you being town scummy/manipulative? If Volpe was townreading you and scumreading Ank, and he doesn’t understand why you were hard pushing Ank as town, then doesn’t it make sense that that might affect his read of your slot as well? With respect to your read of Volpe, your issue seems to be much more about the fact that he dropped his confidence on you being town, rather than you taking issue with him scumreading Ank for what you consider to be bad reasons. Yes, you previously challenged Volpe on his scumread of Ank prior to that post, but you didn’t call him scummy in that exchange until he said that he was less certain about you being town. I don’t see how this was scummy on Volpe’s behalf.

Calling the last sentence of Volpe’s post “really really obviously manipulative” and saying that he was trying to publicly strongarm you into taking a worse position on Ank feels like a highly exaggerated response based on the back-and-forth that the two of you had around post 1331.

[chennisden]

Why is that?

I don’t think you’re scum, but you’re my number 3 scum read. Does that make sense?

there's one word for it: paranoia

[chennisden]

that is a really, really off post volxen.

[chennisden]

i dont know what to do and i went "ick" so i guess i'll kill the thing that made me go ick

VOTE: volxen

[DeasVail]

Spoiler: Dr. Easy Bake

Just tell me how it's lookin' babe, just tell me how it's lookin' babe

General impression: I don’t really know what his alignment is but I like him! I guess I generally lean town on him because he clearly doesn’t seem to care what people think? And he’s not playing in a way that’s actually set up for long-term longevity in this game.

Specific posts:

I actually kind of like 1407? He’s been asked a question by his neighbor-buddy and is clearly not taking it seriously, which kind of makes sense given that he was annoyed with his neighbourhood at the time!
I also feel like 2452 is more likely from town DEB than scum.

All that said, I need more from DEB. He’s not a strong townread by any means.

Spoiler: Flavor Leaf

I love his big ego
It's too much
He walk like this 'cause he can back it up

General impression: I’m not ruling out scum, but from a quick re-skim over his posts, I think FL is still probably town? He seems fairly transparent and this townread initially started during that weird FL vs. Volpe 1v1 where FL’s thought processes actually seemed quite dynamic in a town way.

Specific posts:

There are too many of them

Spoiler: davesaz

I don’t know much about fighting, but I know I will fight for you

General impression: My thoughts remain the same! I think dave is attracting scumreads because his posting style generally comes across as cautious which creates a scummy feeling, but for me, all evidence still points to Dave being town.

Specific posts:

614 is such a weird post for scum to make!
1222 – I like that he’s highlighting that his team aren’t very involved in the game. Often as scum in TM I think there can be pressure to pretend that your team is more involved than they are.
I like the 2054 and 2066 interaction with chenn and the development of a townready on chenn from it. I feel the temptation for scum here would be to ride the wave of FRUSTRATION as an excuse for having doubts for chenn’s alignment.

Spoiler: chennisden

Our love was stronger than your pride

General Impression: Coming out of Day 1 I think my townread on chennisden was stronger than it is now that I’ve gone over all of his posts again. However, I still think chenn is town! I like the progression of his reads on dave and gamma throughout the game. I can get a pretty good idea of how chenn is thinking about the game behind his posting, and I think that there is a lot of town conflict of thought in his posts that I feel scum would be worried would come across as wishy-washy.

Specific posts:

My read is more based on a general impression of chenn’s play than any specific posts, but these are a few that stood out to me.

435
1371 – not wanting to strongarm dave read
1607 sensible conflict of thought in regards to kuribo.

Spoiler: Vex Vience

Love forgive me I’ve been running, running blind in truth

General Impression: Town!

Specific Posts:

- The notes are cute. There’s also a lot about me being scummy without actually using that to push a scumread on me. Seems like a waste of effort for scum!
[post=2197]2197- I think this post in regards to hoods and how scum will night-kill does not come from a scum mindset. I actually think that scum are quite likely to kill in all-town hoods. They would be the most scary things to me if I were scum. Vex’s post also places a lot of emphasis on scum wanting the power, but I actually really doubt scum care and I certainly wouldn’t really as scum. But while I think it makes total sense for scum to shoot in an all-town hood and then create paranoia like this about the shot, I really don’t think scum would go about it in the style of Vex’s post.

Also the Maria neighbourhood thing.

Spoiler: Volxen

My love you've given me a taste of your honey
I want the whole beehive

General Impression: Super short ISO I love it! I don’t really understand the scumreads here? I like the posts. They show good thoughts on the game while my guess is that scum would pay more attention to being active and that their effort would be more devoted to keeping up a pretense of activity rather than actual decent posts.

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I’ll stop there for now, but insight into what my other reads will probably be:

MariaR- Cautiously town
Gammagooey- Not actually sure, but I was previously leaning town
Kuribo- Town
GiF- No idea. I really need to reread his posts.
Volpe14- Town
Espresso- Probably town
Almost50- Probably town
Nomnomnom- Probably scum

PEDIT: I disagree that it's scummy though?

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe/Gammagooey/Chennis

Are my three. I don’t necessarily think that’s the scum team, though.

GIF/Nomnom can replace a slot in there, probably Volpe.

[Flavor Leaf]

I kind of forgot about Dave, and I’m cautious of Maria.

Ank pocketed me, so I’m gonna throw shade there, but she effectively stopped any inkling of pushing there.

[volxen]

that is a really, really off post volxen.

i dont know what to do and i went "ick" so i guess i'll kill the thing that made me go ick

VOTE: volxen

You're not even going to respond to anything I brought up in that post, or try to engage with me at all? I don't believe that town!you would write me off as scum so easily given our history together.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Just tell me how it's lookin' babe, just tell me how it's lookin' babe

...he clearly doesn’t seem to care what people think?

When everybody is looking down on me,
I hope GAWD’s looking down on me too.
Watching me hug my huskies
Making sure that they still love me
'Cause when the world comes tumbling down
And everybody's walking 'round with they hand out
'Cause I'm the man now
I hope GAWD’s looking down on me too.

[Dr Easy Bake]

So everyone except the person I FoSd pretty much ignored my shit from earlier? Dope.

[Flavor Leaf]

ScumGooey was more solidified, if that helps, punk.

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe drowned your post out

[chennisden]

Volxen my impression from you in quite literally the half dozen games we've played where you've been scum is that as scum you say obvious stuff and you smash it into a wall. And as town you say a lot of useful stuff and flow it into a wall.

[chennisden]

Actually you know what

UNVOTE:

[chennisden]

I was looking back at some volxen town games, that last post is not that off from volxen town and the content w/ reread of that last post is not bad.

Also volxen, I think it's pretty clear I considered him trying to force his bad read on me bad.

[nomnomnom]

speaking of past town games I have the impression you should already know that this is my town game yet here we are?

[chennisden]

comedy is your interactions with the rest of the game; tragedy is your interactions with my slot