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[Alisae]

Because like
if he's scum with Kerset and/or Reundo, he's the notable person in that scumteam, he would make the kills resolving him.
If we kill him now, the night kills are going to play around another individual's needs. This leaves us with some room to work for in using NKA.

Which btw I don't understand why people call that garbage on this site but ok.

[Alisae]

If we are wrong and we haven't nailed the scumteam but we're 2/3 and there is scum in the bloc and we lynch bitmap now, the kills are going to be made by the individual who is in the block.

[jjh927]

I'd rather have it confirmed that Kerset and Bitmap are indeed scum before thinking about Bitmap

[Chemist1422]

okay but how big of an "if" is that and does that apply to anyone else

[jjh927]

I'd rather have it confirmed that Kerset and Reundo are indeed scum before thinking about Bitmap

ebwop

[Alisae]

And if there ISN'T scum in the bloc and we are 3/3 (or 2/3 and someone is bussing), there isn't going to be much resistance to lynching their buddies tomorrow.

Lynching Bitmap today establishes dominance and allows us to control the agenda and flow of the game if we're right with bitmap kerset and reundo containing scum.

[Alisae]

like if we're treating him as scum, then he's the threat.
Kerset and Reundo aren't going to fight agtainst the gamestate effectively, he can.

[jjh927]

Bitmap is the least likely of the three to be scum though

[jjh927]

I'd rather lynch people who I'm more confident will flip scum

[Alisae]

but is scum

[jjh927]

Probably

[Alisae]

I'd rather lynch people who I'm more confident will flip scum

and I want to win

[jjh927]

I don't think that by not lynching Bitmap it's gonna mean we can't lynch in Kerset and Reundo

[Alisae]

I'm also thinking about what kills scum can take to break up our townbloc if bitmap is scum

[jjh927]

That's just a fact of life

[jjh927]

Come vote Kerset

[Alisae]

ok but with you dead the bloc is significantly weaker
with the bloc being significantly weaker, its easier for bitmap to break it apart

[jjh927]

I think it should be common knowledge at this point that killing me only makes me stronger

[mastina]

Actually, no. It's something else.

Can you not just say what the thing is

Sure.
The phrasing.
Look at the phrasing in your pm.
Look at the phrasing Reundo used.
Notice a discrepancy between the two?

I sure did!
You COULD argue, "mastina, there's such a thing as paraphrasing". My counter: the discrepancy between the claim and the actual wording strongly suggests that it isn't a paraphrase issue and instead is just from outright fabrication.

[Jingle]

I think it should be common knowledge at this point that killing me only makes me stronger

No. What

DOESN'T

kill you makes you stronger.

[jjh927]

Let's go through some key games

Gamma's upick- They nightkilled me the same night the last scum got vigged and the game ended in a town win
Vengeful ghosts- Was struck down. Became more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Krazy's anime upick- Scum nightkilled me and I showed up in their PT because I was a recruitable traitor
A story revisited- I was deathproof. I announced such when I correctly identified that scum had failed to kill me and then continued to push my reads.
And this shit goes all the way back to Spring Fever where I redirected that scumkill back onto scum

Shoutout to that hydra upick where we got Yume to set her own hydra on fire

[jjh927]

I think it should be common knowledge at this point that killing me only makes me stronger

No. What

DOESN'T

kill you makes you stronger.

Really? Well I guess that means that the subsets of things that

A. Kill me
B. Do not kill me

make me stronger

[jjh927]

Show me on the sample role PM what you think is missing, Mastina

Spoiler: Sample Role PM

高倉 陽毬 (Himari Takakura)

Welcome, [username]! You are 高倉 陽毬 (Himari Takakura), a

MafiaScum Anime Avatar Resistance Fighters (MAARF)

member.

Your Abilities

• MAARF Tactical Response Unit
  : During the day phase, you may use this unit to vote to lynch one player.

Your Win Condition

• Make MafiaScum Safe Again
  : You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one MAARF member alive.

Good luck, have fun, and save our Anime Avatars.

[ofrhz]

So I think there are a couple of things in hito’s post 1693

1. Cohesion tell in 1720

I think this is where you’re expecting me to townread Alisae or at least not scumread Alisae because 1) they’re voting reundo and even rejuvenated that wagon and 2) they’ve also arrived at town!mastina and co.

i listed these reads based on who scumpinged me. I do think that reundo and Alisae are unlikely to be scum together based on how e jump started that wagon. However, both of us scumreading reundo isn’t enough for me to townread Alisae alone if that makes sense. one benefit of this is if Reundo were to flip town, I would at least remember who else i thought was worth looking into

I think your cohesion tell works somewhat in the sense that if someone were to convince me of a certain read, then I’m also going to townread that person who convinced me in the first place. At some point, I was townreading Mastina and didn’t particularly have a read on bitmap. And then I started to townread jjh in part because of their arguments pushing scum!bitmap, which is basically the gist of how I arrived at those reads. but like, Alisae wasn’t part of how my reads developed around that game state, and furthermore, e arrived at the same reads as me in a different manner, so it’s not like there was mindmeld or something

Speaking generally, I also don’t particularly think it’s a good idea to townread someone simply because they have the same views as you. scum may feel like they need to bus and participate in the echo chamber to inject themselves in the town block. at best, it’s a “save this Alisae read for later” when we have some flips, which is incidentally kind of where I’m at right now.

2. My townreads scumreading Kerset

Kerset probably has been the person I’ve talked to/about the most by far, and that’s basically because I’ve been trying to get a stronger read there all game. I feel like the argument i made (“Kerset’s scumgame was weaker compared to this”) didn’t convince anyone else, yet couldn’t shake off this feeling that he still might be town. But I’m not really the kind of person to hard defend people who I’m like not even sure are town in the first place.

And without the meta, I would be scumreading him based on his play here alone. So it also makes sense a lot of sense to me why my townreads are all scumreading there

[ofrhz]

OK, I finished catching up. Reads:

{Bitmap, Klick} <- TOWN
{Jingle, Mena, Chemist} <- TOWN-LEAN
{hito, Alisae, Shadoweh, Kerset} <- NULL
{ofrhz, jjh} <- SCUM-LEAN
{mastina} <- SCUM

I spent way too long trying to write up an in-depth reads list and only got like halfway-through, then realized it was kind of pointless and a waste of time, which makes me sad. Will probably end up elaborating on these more later, but I'm way too tired as is.

VOTE: mastina

Reundo, why did you have me as a scum lean when you were writing this post?