Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

This is all contiguous on Ari not scumclaiming on entry though

VOTE: Plum

[skitter30]

So like if you think I was bussing Ari and got cold feet ig I can't help either of you but I'm willing to follow Skitters reads (not just because -Skitter-, I agree with them, Plum and Tris are my 2nd and 4th most likely scumflips)

maybe i have decent reads sometimes, who knew ?

[MathBlade]

So like if you think I was bussing Ari and got cold feet ig I can't help either of you but I'm willing to follow Skitters reads (not just because -Skitter-, I agree with them, Plum and Tris are my 2nd and 4th most likely scumflips)

maybe i have decent reads sometimes, who knew ?

I think sometimes you do, but in this case RC imho is playing you.

But it’s literally antitown to stop this development atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please don't assume that I don't respect you because I act like I don't respect you, as little sense as that makes on the surface.

[MathBlade]

Please don't assume that I don't respect you because I act like I don't respect you, as little sense as that makes on the surface.

That’s to Skitter I am assuming.

[tris]

i'll look at plum next since that's the wagon that's growing right now

[skitter30]

Please don't assume that I don't respect you because I act like I don't respect you, as little sense as that makes on the surface.

i mean ...

[RadiantCowbells]

The little known secret is that I actually care a lot about other people's reads, I just present them as my own later.

[RadiantCowbells]

For example I didnt need to check your iso to know that your top scumreads were teacher (comment about unsurety on other townreads) Flopz tier down Tris plum. I could have checked that obviously but at whatever point you know I'm town I promise I didn't.

I just... trust myself to listen to your reads more than I trust you to listen to mine.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay I had to go back and check and you had Ico where I put Flopz.

So that doesn't exactly prove what I wanted to prove but still.

[skitter30]

I think sometimes you do, but in this case RC imho is playing you.

Yeah so that makes me slightly nervous that this is what's happening ^

[RadiantCowbells]

Even if I'm scum making you mislynch one person you're still hypothetically rid of scum RC at an extremely early point in the game.

I can't make you stop being scared that I'm scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

The perspective I think you should take on this

Is the potential damage of giving me 1 mislynch and then being rid of scum!me is significantly less than the potential damage of not trusting me and never lynching my scumreads and never having concrete evidence that I'm scum.

[MathBlade]

Even if I'm scum making you mislynch one person you're still hypothetically rid of scum RC at an extremely early point in the game.

I can't make you stop being scared that I'm scum.

Then why not lynch Ari who is so much more alignment indicative of you than the Plum sheep? And actually has enough votes to possibly happen?

Who you yourself has noted associations between Ari and Duck?

[MathBlade]

The perspective I think you should take on this

Is the potential damage of giving me 1 mislynch and then being rid of scum!me is significantly less than the potential damage of not trusting me and never lynching my scumreads and never having concrete evidence that I'm scum.

That’s exactly what lynching Ari does imho.

[RadiantCowbells]

Then why not lynch Ari who is so much more alignment indicative of you than the Plum sheep? And actually has enough votes to possibly happen?

Who you yourself has noted associations between Ari and Duck?

Because I can't say I'm 100% sure they're scum and I don't want their alignment used as a litmus test for mine?

Literally why would I want someone I'm not 100% sure is scum to be used to try to BoP lynch me.

In an ideal world literally only my top scumread (TW) would be something I can be BoPed on but I guess this game is so distrusting of me I can only get my second scumread.

[RadiantCowbells]

The perspective I think you should take on this

Is the potential damage of giving me 1 mislynch and then being rid of scum!me is significantly less than the potential damage of not trusting me and never lynching my scumreads and never having concrete evidence that I'm scum.

That’s exactly what lynching Ari does imho.

No, it doesn't, because the best player on my team doesn't even think Ari is scum.

[MathBlade]

Let’s assume Ari is town and you’re town.

The knowledge would also help your reads for Duck and who could be scum with Duck and help your reads.

Let’s assume Ari is scum and you’re town.

Then you gain more influence TW is scum and I gain more influence Bella scum. It might be a solve.

[MathBlade]

Then why not lynch Ari who is so much more alignment indicative of you than the Plum sheep? And actually has enough votes to possibly happen?

Who you yourself has noted associations between Ari and Duck?

Because I can't say I'm 100% sure they're scum and I don't want their alignment used as a litmus test for mine?

Literally why would I want someone I'm not 100% sure is scum to be used to try to BoP lynch me.

In an ideal world literally only my top scumread (TW) would be something I can be BoPed on but I guess this game is so distrusting of me I can only get my second scumread.

And that’s where I think you’re wrong.

You staked a lot of D1 in Ari scum.

You saying now you townread Ari now doesn’t get rid of those posts.

[skitter30]

The perspective I think you should take on this

Is the potential damage of giving me 1 mislynch and then being rid of scum!me is significantly less than the potential damage of not trusting me and never lynching my scumreads and never having concrete evidence that I'm scum.

A few things:

1. I am now paranoid of being manipulated by you
2. Why are we not testing this on ari again? At this point he's a proxy sort for like half the game. Like i'm less worried of u deciding to not bus him but of you realizing that if ari flips town you're just gonna be next in this gamestate

[RadiantCowbells]

How would you feel if I lynched someone that you weren't sure was scum then said ALRIGHT MATH CONFSCUM LETS GETEM.

Let’s assume Ari is town and you’re town.

The knowledge would also help your reads for Duck and who could be scum with Duck and help your reads.

This hinges on me NOT getting mislynched and handing scum an excessively lucrative twofer that also discredits my read on Duckling which he is more than proficient enough to capitalize on to not get lynched. Like. If I could be 100% sure I got nightkilled after Ari then this is an entirely different ballpark where I can afford this but the gamestate is one where town can't afford that mislynch because you're still trying to tie my alignment to the result of it.

[skitter30]

Because I can't say I'm 100% sure they're scum and I don't want their alignment used as a litmus test for mine?

...
You wanted this before tho

[RadiantCowbells]

2. Why are we not testing this on ari again? At this point he's a proxy sort for like half the game. Like i'm less worried of u deciding to not bus him but of you realizing that if ari flips town you're just gonna be next in this gamestate

Yeah

This is exactly the problem?

NSG thinks he's town and scum just wins the game off of his mislynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter

You know I change my mind

And you know I change my mind more often as town than scum

And you know that as the game progresses my reads get better

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm still offering BoP lynches on me

I just want to actually lynch someone I scumread instead of someone NSG is saying no no no bad idea