Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[skitter30]

It's like 1am and i'm not sure i'm awake enough to follow what you even want to be happening rn

[RadiantCowbells]

Like... do you not get how fucking unfair it is to try to call me scum from the result of a lynch I didn't want?

[MathBlade]

How would you feel if I lynched someone that you weren't sure was scum then said ALRIGHT MATH CONFSCUM LETS GETEM.

Let’s assume Ari is town and you’re town.

The knowledge would also help your reads for Duck and who could be scum with Duck and help your reads.

This hinges on me NOT getting mislynched and handing scum an excessively lucrative twofer that also discredits my read on Duckling which he is more than proficient enough to capitalize on to not get lynched. Like. If I could be 100% sure I got nightkilled after Ari then this is an entirely different ballpark where I can afford this but the gamestate is one where town can't afford that mislynch because you're still trying to tie my alignment to the result of it.

I would say if I screamed all day person X was scum and then suddenly changed my mind I would take responsibility for my posts and then review based on what happened over the day. And based on what you present tomorrow with results or what not. It depends.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's like 1am and i'm not sure i'm awake enough to follow what you even want to be happening rn

I want us to wagon Plum

I want to switch back to Ari if I think he's scum after his catch-up.

I want to lunch Plum otherwise.

In an ideal world, I want to speedlynch Duck under the guarantee that he flips scum or you can lynch me but I can't have that.

[skitter30]

Dude you spent like 20 pages making it very clear that that is exactly the lynch you want

I get your reads change but dont act like it's ridiculous for other people to still want ari to proxy sort you given how the you/tw/ari thing went down

[skitter30]

It's like 1am and i'm not sure i'm awake enough to follow what you even want to be happening rn

I want us to wagon Plum

I want to switch back to Ari if I think he's scum after his catch-up.

I want to lunch Plum otherwise.

In an ideal world, I want to speedlynch Duck under the guarantee that he flips scum or you can lynch me but I can't have that.

Fine

I am vetoing tw today

If you're right on plum/ari and/or if you die overnight i will give strong credence to ur tw thing tom

[RadiantCowbells]

I would say if I screamed all day person X was scum and then suddenly changed my mind I would take responsibility for my posts and then review based on what happened over the day. And based on what you present tomorrow with results or what not. It depends.

Simple answer? No.

I don't care what my reads were, I care what they are at EoD.

This is how I play and you can track it over a billion town games and I don't even have the ability to effectively fake these types of reversals as scum.

I get your reads change but dont act like it's ridiculous for other people to still want ari to proxy sort you given how the you/tw/ari thing went down

In my humble opinion

The idea of proxy sorting me is ridiculous because you should already see that I'm town.

But if you're gonna proxy sort me, it should be off of someone that I think is actually going to flip scum at the end of day.

I don't think contrary to what you're saying that under any circumstances any other player would be held to the insane burden of proficiency standard of "you must have not have had a wrong scumread in the past" when you just played a game where I went from bad reads to good reads to lockguilty on scum.

The truth is Ari I just thought there's no way that Duck would do this in that situation as scum unless Ari was his buddy but NSG had a good comparison to a previous game where Duck deliberately made me think the wrong person was his partner and basically said "ok like if you want a BOP scumread it should be on your actual scumread not the person you think is associated"

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm literally claiming a guilty.

I would rather you vote me right now than not put any of your own thoughts aside and speedlynch TW.

The simple answer is I have a ton of information that I can't express without bringing the game into unhappy places.

[RadiantCowbells]

Duck scumread is the most important thing to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if your plan otherwise is to not lynch duck no matter what I'd rather you just vote me and I can selfvote and we can end this phase my conftowning me into Tw->Plum

[tris]

teacher - I am going to tentatively give some points to for his explanation for stating a preference to Xtoxm over Flopz wagon his morning (that statement made shortly before Flopz's new posts)

What? why would he get points for that. this seems like a weird reason to take someone off the list of possible lynches.

[tris]

VOTE: the worst

[RadiantCowbells]

I legit just don't want to play mafia unless I can be IC.

Ether needs to host another The Odds and give me 5%

[MathBlade]

Except you quite literally have done that reversal in Lynch The Wolves.

I know that game because you and I were scum together and this has all the markers of that one.

It also has the markers of Diffusion game where you and Titus went at each other.

The even worse thing is that BBMolla and Titus both think you’re townRC but that’s you’re not able to see Ari scum.

That’s almost always the Raybells scum pattern especially with too many scumreads.

It is your scum game to claim a guilty (Luna Nova in Lynch the Wolves, Implosion / TW this game).

The problem is that if I was not conflicted I would take you up on your offer right now.

The problem with that is that I would be ignoring my smarter halves.

Because the more you resist Ari and want TW the more TW+Ari+You I become convinced of.

I am convinced the worst could be scum. But at the same time he might not be.

I just don’t want to no lynch and would rather stick with majority than shift the wagon. We get associatives and go into tomorrow. This day needs to end. It’s gone on waaay too long and I think scum don’t even post anymore.

Even if you had a mod confirmation of a scum player I don’t think there’s enough town checking in Raybells. That’s how shitty and toxic this game is and I don’t think you see that. I think you think you can just force us into your way or the highway but there just isn’t enough players here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bro

This idea that I can't see Ari scum is outlandish

I see the evidence I brought it up in the first place

I just can't bet the game on that?

Do you not understand that everything you see as toxic about my play fundamentally stems from my not being townread, stems from me having to throw my slot on the line to be taken seriously?

I have to force my way or the highway or I risk becoming a mislynch with irrelevant reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have to be perfectionist as fuck here because if I don't town ends up losing. I need an outcome to this day that leads into Duck lynch and Ari isn't always it right now.

[skitter30]

I'm literally claiming a guilty.

I would rather you vote me right now than not put any of your own thoughts aside and speedlynch TW.

The simple answer is I have a ton of information that I can't express without bringing the game into unhappy places.

Ok

Getting very tired so going to try to express my thoughts now and then we can pick this up tom:

1. I am not willing to lynch duck today when he asked for a phase due to irl stuff, no matter how i or you are reading him

2. I am willing to give you one day to prove your reads and alignment, especially because i think it's the most expedient way to unfuck the gamestate

3. If you are right today i wont resist on tw tom. If you are wrong i'm going to do whatever i want, and it will probably feature trying to lynch you

I think that is as much as i can give wrt this, and i need to sleep now

[tris]

I just don’t want to no lynch

? we're not in danger of a no lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I can literally case Plum right now

SOLELY on Ari associatives

Because I've been keeping (him being likely scum) in mind and ive read all of it

Good enough just isn't for me, not right now, not in this gamestate.

If you want good enough to be good enough for me, you gotta change the cards that I see on the table.

[MathBlade]

I can’t get any sort of reads when you dictate the lynch.

People literally check out and vote drop. They stop caring.

Then when you’re gone we have to rebuild town synergy. If you’re town and you’re right about being the NK you should care about the gamestate after you’re dead.

Pedit that’s absurd. Town doesn’t end up losing if you don’t get your way. You sound like a spoiled man child.

There isn’t enough players reading anyway it looks like. You’re going to have to plan for what happens if you don’t get your way.

Pedit @Tris Yes we are from apathy. This has all the hallmarkers. Look at how low of the percentage base has posted meaningful content in the last 48. Can you seriously tell me that people care?

Pedit RC if you’re theory is TW+Plum/Tris it’s Tris not Plum there

[RadiantCowbells]

See this from my point of view instead of yours for literally 10 seconds, that's all that I ask for.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually it's Plum with TW unless they both are. Let me show you.

[MathBlade]

Go ahead but barring absolutely the best case convincing me it’s antitown to move my vote. Take time to do it rather than 50 posts so people notice it. Because I have been reading your arguments they just seem really bad atm and subpar Raybells another reason I scumread you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok I won't give you evidence then.

I'm not gonna rage at you and get banned but I'm certainly not going to take you calling me bad when in 100% of our town-town games my years have been far far superior to you're and you said that my reads were bad in all of them too. You have negative self awareness.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry Math I'm literally just better than you and you're not at all qualified to judge the quality of my reads so like say what you want but I guarantee you people after this game will be talking about how bad your reads were.