In post 621, Hopkirk wrote:Why town Cheeky? I remember liking her replacee first time around but didn't on a reread. Cheeky feels kind of like 'scummier if we're on right tracks, townier if we're not' to me. Bayesian associations make her slightly scummier based on that, but otherwise no real read on Cheeky's own contributions thusfar.
eddie said 550 sounds town!cheeky in tone
I liked the FF vote from him and his questioning of me was at a deep enough level that I felt like he was actually trying to get info out of me / gauge my alignment. Also, I appreciate he's made a bit of a splash as I haven't though our current trajectory was correct at all.
In post 624, Hopkirk wrote:I feel like I trust Eddie but not you kind of?
Hop 'Hopsofhophop' Hop
Following on with a quick discussion with Hectic, we were planning to play without telling each other what alignment each of us are. This hasn't worked super well as I learnt Hectic/Flopz's anyway and Elements is no longer with us. Hectic was happy for me to discuss this tactic.
I suggested this strategy as I feel like it lets your team get more objective reads on pushes on your slot (if your team reads which I'm sure Hectic but probably not Flopz will eventually).
"I like soft defending FF. I could probably mislynch cheeky. I'm going to scumread the towny people because I'm fun, have a personality and can get away with it"
Is it not of interest to scum to discredit town reads and push in bad trajectories? Just saying.
My team is divided on Dann but I'm pretty happy saying he's town.
If you actually read Kitty's words her pushes and tone make sense in a way I don't see coming from scum. I can go into this if needed but like there's a lot of words. I love you guys though so I'll do it if I have to.
The recent momentum on nsg is interesting. I'm watching you sneaky scumbutts.
So first off Hectic asked me to come back online because he just realized why Eddie was asked and wants to clarify that he 'may have been lying about some stuff'.
Hectic is not currently aware what my alignment is because I haven't told him because I think it's advantageous not to share roles pms.
@Cheeky: You are not a townread. You're like light scumread atm?
Kitty I've been glossing over a lot of what she posts thinking 'I can't tell if this is alignment indicative'.
I'll go into reads tomorrow. I should have time. I'll try and look at this stuff. Suggest anything else worth doing if wanted.
-Cheeky's predecessor reread
-Auro (though I'm not really sure how to put my reads into words)
-FF (a reread of the walls first probably)
-Espeon reread maybe?
I don't think our reads are that different Dann. Ceph town for both. Dong/NSG not good. Main dif is placement of my tone 'I can't sort these comfortably' reads. I agree they're generating content and doing townie things but I'm not convinced that generally strong players can't just do/sound townie like that anyway if they put effort in which the two of them clearly are. There were a couple of things I liked about Kitty, but she's clearly involved to the point I have concerns about sorting her so quickly/easily. Unless you have specifics?
If you're having trouble understanding my thought process there it's because I'm working on a system of 'more scum seem to turn up in my d1 light townreads than my d1 light scumreads so I want to be careful about people I want to gut townread based on tone'.
FF I found it kind of weird that I clearly townread him - as Cheeky said - but he attacked a minor misinterpretation in a way that really sounded like he thought he was talking to scum-Hop.
I'll check in in an hour or so for twenty minutes if anything is pertinent. Busy Tuesday/Thursday and all of next Sunday atm.
I'm hoping Flopz doesn't read this game. He's really not a fan of that kind of 'oh let's reference past games and hope nobody notices while we laugh at the people not in the loop' style.
As someone who spent two hours earlier trying to narrow down a list of users from 200 to about 10 to work out Hectic's alts, I know how search works. It comes off as uninteractive/discrediting/gatekeepy when you start trying to use 'oh we played together in the past and don't want to elaborate so people know what we mean unless they spend ages reading x game we know they don't have time to read'.
Is anything you said their actually an invitation for me to respond to or is it you standing on a box and trying to tell other people not to listen to me?
In post 640, Hopkirk wrote:I'm hoping Flopz doesn't read this game. He's really not a fan of that kind of 'oh let's reference past games and hope nobody notices while we laugh at the people not in the loop' style.
Hop 'Hoppery' Hopkirk
There's a question in there about how I'm reading you. Don't feel left out, I also hate elitism or 'in-groups'
In post 642, Hopkirk wrote:Is anything you said their actually an invitation for me to respond to or is it you standing on a box and trying to tell other people not to listen to me?
Hop 'Hoppp' Hoppers
I'm surprised you took my summary seriously and responded to my points in it. If I were a scumread of yours would you not see what I've done as disingenuous misrepping or something? I don't like how reasonable you're trying to be, it feels like you know I'm town.
In post 642, Hopkirk wrote:Is anything you said their actually an invitation for me to respond to or is it you standing on a box and trying to tell other people not to listen to me?
Hop 'Hoppp' Hoppers
I'm surprised you took my summary seriously and responded to my points in it. If I were a scumread of yours would you not see what I've done as disingenuous misrepping or something? I don't like how reasonable you're trying to be, it feels like you know I'm town.
It sounded serious.
I try and treat the person I'm talking to as town to avoid deathtunneling them which I used to do a lot.
In post 645, Cephrir wrote:i'm all for elitism but cliquishness in mafia is pretty annoying and over-reliance on meta is a great flaw for many otherwise good players
Is this responding to something in particular or are you just ranting
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