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Post Post #2575 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:57 pm

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In post 2573, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2570, the worst wrote:i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?
you're portraying your ari tr as Super Strong Town and i'm confused how u got there on teacher
i wasn't even aware that's how u were readign teacher
i'm really not
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Post Post #2576 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:58 pm

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i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it
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Post Post #2577 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:58 pm

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I'm forcing myself not to interject here btw
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Post Post #2578 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 2575, the worst wrote:
In post 2573, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2570, the worst wrote:i think it's one of the least confusing posts i've ever written?
you're portraying your ari tr as Super Strong Town and i'm confused how u got there on teacher
i wasn't even aware that's how u were readign teacher
i'm really not
they're like
my weakest townreads
that is not at all the impression i'm getting from u wrt ari like at all
given how u keep defending him ...
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Post Post #2579 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:01 pm

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in vacuum i don't really care that much if ari is lynched

in practice it's like
he's slowly becoming a compromise lynch
while rc is openwolfing

so i'm like ... hey guys ... we could just lynch a really fucking obvious wolf and fix the gamestate at the same time!


doesn't mean i'm high confidence on ari; i trust people to sort him/lynch him if needed later. i don't really trust people to correctly lynch RC without doing this.
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Post Post #2580 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:02 pm

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I would kinda love an explanation of why Bella isn’t getting attention as I keep reading. Like it’s emptier than Paris Hilton’s head.
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Post Post #2581 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 2576, skitter30 wrote:i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it
like.. we asked you to reconsider ico and both towncased him.. your response was tone stuff isn't very convincing.. i asked if you could show me where you see scum!ico so you asked me to towncase him again.. this feels like a really strange impasse for us to be at, like sorry if it sounds demanding but would you mind giving me a little more of where you're at to work with?
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Post Post #2582 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:03 pm

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for better context

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Post Post #2583 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:03 pm

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the more this is a thing the more i'm kinda thinking that we should be lynching in tw/rc to unfuck the gamestate, and not ari
i think that switching momentum to doing that at this point will be Not Easy given how the current gamestate is, well, fucked
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Post Post #2584 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:03 pm

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In post 2580, teacher wrote:I would kinda love an explanation of why Bella isn’t getting attention as I keep reading. Like it’s emptier than Paris Hilton’s head.
idk apparently she's town per jjh but i don't see it (?)
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Post Post #2585 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:04 pm

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In post 2581, the worst wrote:
In post 2576, skitter30 wrote:i don't really know what you want me to say? this is how i'm reading ico
i don't find the tone stuff super convincing

you keep asking me about ico so i go back to eddie's case and this is what i feel about it
like.. we asked you to reconsider ico and both towncased him.. your response was tone stuff isn't very convincing.. i asked if you could show me where you see scum!ico so you asked me to towncase him again.. this feels like a really strange impasse for us to be at, like sorry if it sounds demanding but would you mind giving me a little more of where you're at to work with?
give me a sec
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Post Post #2586 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:04 pm

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i think my last stated readlist just had him in the nullpile but like i said, i like his recent posting. his frustration and the charge behind them feels towny; content is like a solid ok/10 but he's got a little spark of ari in there.

pedit: that's good timing - eddie just asked if jjh has read this game / if he'd be willing to give some input
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Post Post #2587 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 pm

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Man TW is just gonna bog you down in a bunch of pointless peer to peer fuckery to give you the illusion that he's town because people always townread LaMIST trash like this.
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Post Post #2588 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 pm

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In post 2583, skitter30 wrote:the more this is a thing the more i'm kinda thinking that we should be lynching in tw/rc to unfuck the gamestate, and not ari
i think that switching momentum to doing that at this point will be Not Easy given how the current gamestate is, well, fucked
if you want to lynch to fix the gamestate i feel obligated to remind you which slot has over a third of the posts in the game and is literally spamming rhetoric
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i'm also happy to just advocate lynching one of us => lynching RC tomorrow if it's me.
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Post Post #2589 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 pm

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That’s fair. I haven’t made it through that far yet.

But that’s my best pick in the [flopz/ari/plum/Bella/xtomx] pool I’ve got as my general preferred pool.

Pedit@skit 5 posts ago.
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Post Post #2590 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 pm

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Can we just lynch scum Duck because my reads are good and then lynch me if it's wrong
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Post Post #2591 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:07 pm

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you really shouldn't townread us asking to interact with people's teammates no
please just read the interactions that come out of it

pedit again: sorry @skit, eddie wants to clarify that he would really like jjh to make this game a priority please.
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Post Post #2592 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:08 pm

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In post 2590, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we just lynch scum Duck because my reads are good and then lynch me
WHEN
it's wrong
^^^ i'm kinda fine w this but i need commitment that the seal is dead tmrw
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Post Post #2593 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:08 pm

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Aka you know that JJH has a bad town game and he's liable to lead you in the wrong direction?
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Post Post #2594 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:08 pm

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on what fucking planet does jjh have a bad towngame
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Post Post #2595 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:08 pm

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Like Skitter is a better player than Jjh

I don't think a single player in TM disagrees

Why are you keen on passing the buck to a weaker player on her team
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Post Post #2596 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:09 pm

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Oh please. I don't want to do this drama because this is about relative skillsets.
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Post Post #2597 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:09 pm

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why would jjh's reads compromise skitter'sr reads?
we want another perspective
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Post Post #2598 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:11 pm

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You want another shot at someone townreading you and scumreading me ND leading town in the wrong direction. Even if they were exact equal players introducing another element just gives you another shot at successfully fooling someone.

In last TM I constantly made teams bring more people in to give reads on me when their reads were unfavorable because it muddied up towns ability to rally against me.
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Post Post #2599 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:12 pm

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In post 2018, the worst wrote:eddie town!coneum rescued from the dumpster fire of my iso

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In post 1539, the worst wrote:sorry that was meant to be earlier, got pedit'd

eddie thinks ico... in duck words, "has a limited scumrange".

stuff like this pings him as very natural:
In post 1133, Iconeum wrote:hi skitter

i'm here

wanna talk about stuff

before you say that i am dodging you again :D
In post 1070, Iconeum wrote:dude i'm spending more time googling what you are saying then anything else here fml
In post 1183, Iconeum wrote:50 bucks says floppie hasn't actually read past that mathblade post yet
In post 1336, Iconeum wrote:not really

I'm going with the flow a bit, I don't have enough strenght to push this game in the direction I want, which is Floppy. There's a strong scumread on him in my head, but I've also already largely written that out in here but nobody seems interested yet.

Watching closely to see how this is playing out wrt Tris, on which I don't really have a read rn.

I'm considering this to be a chill game despite some players trying to prove otherwise, and I'm quite happy with having a few good townreads and a few good scumreads rn. There's nothing I can do to force the low-content scumreads to post more, so yeah.

he feels like these are just not things scum does in this kind of gamestate to white knight, esp. vs someone like RC

it doesn't feel like scum defending a partner

so it's kinda defaulting to town
In post 1050, Iconeum wrote:i don't really see ari as scum
In post 1051, Iconeum wrote:would lynch in xtoxm/bella/flopz all before ari
In post 1053, Iconeum wrote:I know you know ari a LOT better then I do, but does that fuck all attitude doesn't read like it comes from scum

In post 1178, Iconeum wrote:
In post 1170, Flopz wrote:Alright lads, new year ergo new me. I'm getting REAL annoyed at all these players jumping down on me just because I'm not good at this game. RadisntCowbells (what kind of name even is that?) and teacher implying I'm scum.
What a load of horseshit!
Back off NOW and stop scumreading me for shitty reasons. All I was doing was saying I'm involving myself in the game and all I got in return was attack after bloody attack. How am I supposed to even breathe at this point?!?!?

I joined as a personal favour to Hectic but nobody told me it was going to be like this. I thought this was supposed to be a fun game wiht intersesting debates where everyone was supposed to critique the arguments and not belittle everyone's character but this was completely different to that. Who'd want their first game to be filled with such utter tripe? I expected better from such
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. If Team Mafia is supposed to be representative of the site as a whole, the mods should be clamping down on this toxicity and personal attacks. Aggressiveness and enthusiasm are absolutely fine, attacks and toxicity are beyond the pale.
Just look at 154, how is that even allowed?


My Team has already lost the game at this point so this is just a slog for slogging's sake. Hopkirk spent fucking eages ranting about this shit on this discord about how it's now literally impossible for us to win no matter what we fucking do. We've spent more time arguing about that then I have even spent in this terrible game. We've already got a modkill on D1 which has killed much of my enthusiam for Team Mafia and all this bullshittery going on is not fucking helping anything.
instead of quoting the one post this game has had that went into toxic territory (but it actually isn't toxic at all), I don't know what game you've been reading.

There's a lot of discussion out there about WHY you are potentially scum, but you seem to be ignorting this because? If you think you can hide behind calling this game and it's players toxic, you are sadly mistaken.

If you want debates, how about you start adressing the posts that call you scum? Or make actual contributions to the game? Because you called your previous posts 'not scumhunting' yourself.
he also doesn't think this feels like scum aggression


as an aside when he went thru the iso to pick out post #s he said he's doubling down on this read
this is what i was looking at for ico ^^^^ and what i was referencing
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as far as i can tell:

1. first part is largely wrt ico's tone. like i said before i just ... don't think that tone there is particularly townie, or hard for scum to fake; i just don't see it
2. i do agree with the second part, where ico doesn't really feel like he's behaving like a partner really, so by default townie

like i can see where eddie is coming from with that and i can understand his argument
but i just don't townread him rn

i dont' particularly want him dead anymore, and haven't for a while
but i just feel like atm he isn't a super high priority sort and i've kinda put him on the backburner and haven't been worrying about him super much

i don't scumread him
i don't townread him

if i'm still alive once the current mess is sorted out i will get back to him and reasses
that's how i feel for like half the slots in the game {xtoxm, plum, flopz, tris, etc}

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