Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

ND, can you please not get us bogged down in krazy versus ND: the twoening?

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

So you’re saying you’re no longer opposed to this?

Uh I wanted a response from the 1st line actually

Thr benefit is if you know the parties involved and I for example, am well-acquainted with Eddie’s team - I can tell by what he says about their reads, the mindset their coming from and whether or not, their reads are believable to be coming from a townie mindset - as in helping town!Eddie solve the game or not. I believe those reads are legit and I don’t believe he didn’t reveal his role to them. Not saying it’s impossible for him to play that way, since he’s experienced enough to make it believable but I doubt it. I really don’t understand why anyone doesn’t think their team could be helpful to them as scum, if they knew their teammate was scum.

Ok but

Let's say Eddie is scum here, can't he just lie about his interactions with teammates? This is why I think teammates are pretty pointless because scum can always just uh Lie and even worse when nothing can be confirmed about it given they're not really in the game

But what if Eddie lied about being town just to...sigh

This is literally WIFOM at this point I don't think I can give you a desirable response

[OkaPoka]

i had in my notes that pops and krazy are antialigned

[Nancy Drew 39]

That isn’t what I said. I said you were casting doubt on the validity of his teamreads.

@unwind

[Nancy Drew 39]

i had in my notes that pops and krazy are antialigned

Why couldn’t they be scum distancing?

[Titus]

If we're doing uninformed nka, I'd look at scum pushing pine that's not hectic.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why were you taking a break from this game?

Because I'd lost my cool and started to question a number of my reads. Hectic turning out Towny and the missteps surrounding nearly lynching him got me way off-balance. Eddie suggested I take a break from the game and I thought it was a good idea. I'm fresh and ready to catch up with a clear head.

My team has been keeping up to various degrees. Kuribo in particular wrote a page and a half, but I skimmed over it because I don't want it to influence me too much until I read myself.

Then I'll try to summarize kuribo, mastina, and xtoxm's thoughts.

Have fun bro, hopefully you help me kill pops and krazy and dont fall into their shitty pockets

Last I checked, Pops was Town and Krazy was scum, so I'm on board for 50% of that.

I'm setting aside a couple of hours after dinner (cooking now) so we'll see after that.

Well, we now know he got one of those wrong.

The bolded. Mastina has a really good BoP on Krazy.

[pisskop]

because the core town here is

- ND
- oka
- piss
- amrun
- unwnd
- SS

- eddie


leaving

- hecktic
- bob
- nacl
- elsa
- doodles
- titus

[Nancy Drew 39]

If we're doing uninformed nka, I'd look at scum pushing pine that's not hectic.

+1

Agree, I think Pine kill points away from Hectic scum, not the other way around.

[pisskop]

i think our scum is doodles/bob with outside chances of elsa and hec

tbh

[Nancy Drew 39]

because the core town here is

- ND
- oka
- piss
- amrun
- unwnd
- SS

- eddie


leaving

- hecktic
- bob
- nacl
- elsa
- doodles
- titus

What makes unwind, “core town”?

[unwnd]

So because Krazy said Eddie did this, you’re just going to accept this as fact?

what? No, Im irritated people are actually more concerned about the hearsay of players in other games than the game itself.

I think it can be very helpful since I totally believe Eddie’s teammates’ reads are real.

I genuinely never want to read someone like this. I know it seems like I'm repeating myself but what's the benefit of doing so?

you gotta do a read, unwnd.

iso your predecessor, read your teammaf thread, or even just check out our rockin red pt.

I probably will but not before I make a fuss cause I'mjustlikethat

So you’re saying you’re no longer opposed to this?

Uh I wanted a response from the 1st line actually

Thr benefit is if you know the parties involved and I for example, am well-acquainted with Eddie’s team - I can tell by what he says about their reads, the mindset their coming from and whether or not, their reads are believable to be coming from a townie mindset - as in helping town!Eddie solve the game or not. I believe those reads are legit and I don’t believe he didn’t reveal his role to them. Not saying it’s impossible for him to play that way, since he’s experienced enough to make it believable but I doubt it. I really don’t understand why anyone doesn’t think their team could be helpful to them as scum, if they knew their teammate was scum.

Ok but

Let's say Eddie is scum here, can't he just lie about his interactions with teammates? This is why I think teammates are pretty pointless because scum can always just uh Lie and even worse when nothing can be confirmed about it given they're not really in the game

But what if Eddie lied about being town just to...sigh

This is literally WIFOM at this point I don't think I can give you a desirable response

OK, listen. Do you not understand the concept of debate? That is basically what Mafia is. You presented an argument and I question you on it. We discuss our perspectives and engage one another (usually with questions, as you have highlighted) until we reach a conclusion. In the context of this game, you presented an argument I disagreed with. I did not think Eddie Cane was validated in being townread by what his teammates said, therefore I gave you points to consider. This is not a basis of scumreading Eddie Cane nor was it, my

intent.

Do you believe that all arguments made are black-and-white? Guilty unless proven Innocent? Nancy Drew is an American right? Surely that can't be the case. I genuinely want to know because I feel lke that's truly how you feel about this game.

[pisskop]

What makes unwind, “core town”?

I think theyre highly unlikely to be scum.

krazy was pretty town, imo. i think theyre less likely scum than hectic.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And NaCl was the counterwagon to scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

[unwnd]

@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.33

popsofctown (8) -

Something_Smart, bob3141, Eddie Cane, Titus, pisskop, Amrun, Elsa Jay, Nancy Drew 39

NaCl (2) -

Pine, popsofctown

unwnd (1) -

DrDolittle

Pine (1) - Hectic

Not Voting (3) -

NaCl, unwnd, OkaPoka

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

Yeah, no way Hectic killed Pine. This NK is clearly designed to frame him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

Well you’re wrong.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Eddie

Eh. From what I've read, I don't like Eddie much. So I'll recontribute again day 2 but for now I'm okay with your lynch.

Who do you Think I am? I've never lolhammered a day in my life.

How the hell do I not got a single vote? Why are we back on Pops? Who the fuck is Eddie?

I have so many questions.

I'm on page 80. Oh god I'm so behind.

I haven't proved I'm not scum yet? Sad times. But I'm not getting wagoned yet for no reason, so that's good.

I like the speculation of me being scum though. Keep it up!.

dude i really think its pine/piss/pops agh

I like the alliteration.

VOTE: Pops

So I went from almost quickhammering Hectic to being the only vote on him. Huh.

I missed the part where he became town, forgive me. But as a heads up, I'm claiming intent next time if I'm off the wagon. Sad I didn't get a quickhammer though.

Elsa why did you lie about how much you like frozen 2?

I would never lie. Lying is against my very nature.

Reading this puts me into a spin, I didn't even include Elsa lolhammering. I think the only basis he could be townread if he's truly DGAF but I have no meta on him so someone would have to speak on their behalf

[unwnd]

@unwind, you said I had trouble reading intent and my correctly reading the mindset of Eddie’s team proves otherwise.

Yeah well you're kinda reading my intent wrong right now hon so maybe you're not as stellar as you think you are

And wtf does my nationality have to do with jack? I’m not American btw.

Nancy Drew is an American Book. Guilty unless proven Innocent is not commonly an American way of doing things. These things are contradictory in a humorous fashion. Jesus christ

Well you’re wrong.

Wrong about what? Everything I said is historically and literally accurate. I've never been more right in my entire fucking life. You should be eating crow

[pisskop]

i think our scum is doodles/bob with outside chances of elsa and hec

tbh

VOTE: elsa

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 1.04

Elsa Jay (4) -

NaCl, popsofctown, DrDoolittle, Amrun

Pine (2) -

Hectic, pisskop

Krazy (2) -

OkaPoka, Titus

DrDolittle (1) -

bob3141

Hectic (1) -

Pine

Titus (1) -

Elsa Jay

OkaPoka (1) -

Krazy

Nancy Drew 39 (1) -

Eddie Cane

Eddie Cane (1) -

Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting (1) -

Something_Smart

With 15 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

This doesn’t look like Pops and Elsa are buddies, so Piss, you should scratch both Hectic and Elsa off your list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think our scum is doodles/bob with outside chances of elsa and hec

tbh

VOTE: elsa

[pisskop]

VCA for one day only shows some probabilities.

i dont think pine dying + hec voting pine means anything.
the elsa case is slightly stronger, but id rather put a vote on a sr i can actually pressure.